Many of them. 
Right. Remember how you said earlier that the “enthusiasm” argument had been disproved by recent results? Well, all you’ve done is retreat into a smaller part of that argument. The “fickle Sanders supporter” argument. I bet half of them would be happy with Gabbard.
If Bernie is going to insist on more debates, why stop at Bernie? Why not invite Gabbard? There comes a point at which this becomes a frivolous exercise.
It would be helpful if Sanders would approach Biden about having some forces join his campaign with the proviso that there are opportunities for forces loyal to Sanders to play key roles in his administration. Joe and Bernie ought to work together to agree in principle in terms of having some Sanders-leaning supporters as economic advisers and even cabinet members (i.e. Labor, Treasury, or Commerce, for instance).
Why does my different opinion bother you so much? Maybe I have good reasons for what I believe, just as you probably do. It’s okay to disagree. Not the end of the world. We’ll find out what happens in the coming months.
If Bernie is going to insist on more debates, why stop at Bernie? Why not invite Gabbard? There comes a point at which this becomes a frivolous exercise.
It would be helpful if Sanders would approach Biden about having some forces join his campaign with the proviso that there are opportunities for forces loyal to Sanders to play key roles in his administration. Joe and Bernie ought to work together to agree in principle in terms of having some Sanders-leaning supporters as economic advisers and even cabinet members (i.e. Labor, Treasury, or Commerce, for instance).
But if he insists on having debates and makes no efforts to cooperate with Biden, he’s discouraging his supporters from voting. I expect that most of Sanders voters will support Biden anyway, but there are a number of Sanders supporters who see him as their only hope for the future and will need to be pushed to vote. Sanders also needs to dispel the notion that Biden can’t get progressive legislation passed - Sanders knows that’s not true. He’s just feeling bent because there was a period when it looked like his revolution would succeed and he’s having a hard time accepting that it’s over.
Your different opinion doesn’t bother me it’s your disdain for applying any rational analysis to your opinion that gets under my skin. The way your gut opinions always seem to align with your desires. The way you strongly imply for weeks that the “enthusiasm” argument demands Biden negotiate with Sanders but when it’s disproven, it doesn’t change your opinion in any way whatsoever. That bothers me.
Okay. I don’t think any of this is correct about me, and is probably colored by your apparent personal dislike of me. If you want to continue talking about your personal feelings about me, I recommend you start a thread in the Pit.
There you go again. I told you what I disliked about you but you play obtuse. I don’t have an “apparent personal dislike” I have an explicit dislike about the way you argue that I have spelled out. But golly, no time to think about it. Life’s too short, right? :rolleyes:
But you’re incorrect about me. What you’re describing about the way I argue is inaccurate, and I suspect it’s because you don’t like me.
You can choose to believe I’m just lying and I’m bad or dishonest or whatever. But if you want an actual discussion, why not assume I’m honestly presenting my views, which come from reasonable beliefs and assumptions based on my own experiences? It really is possible for smart and decent people to discuss something honestly and reasonably but come to different conclusions, because they have different assumptions and experiences. You’re choosing to assume the worst about me, but that’s a choice you’re making. You don’t have to make it.
I suspect you only think I’m incorrect is because you like yourself. Or dislike me. Whatever.
I don’t think this needs to veer any further into ad hominem. I disagree with iiandyiiii’s conclusions but I don’t think he’s arguing in bad faith. He says there are Sanders supporters who are potentially persuadable Biden voters, given certain conditions, and I guess I have no reason to think he’s not being truthful. But this is really all hypothetical until the Sanders campaign makes their immediate intentions known.
I like you and the way you argue just fine! 
Thank you. Yes, this is all I’m saying. There’s not really data either way, and I could certainly be wrong. I’m far less confident in how I feel now than I was a few weeks ago – Biden’s team is a lot better than I thought, and maybe I should just trust them. We’ll see, but this is how I feel right now.
I like you fine too. But not the way you argue.
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As one Canadian PM used to say, «the only poll that counts is on Election Day.»
And Bernie’s policies have not resulted in a groundswell or support at the polls. That’s why this conversation is happening : because Biden, for whatever reason, has been more successful at the polls than Bernie and his policies.
If Bernie’s policies aren’t popular enough to put him in the lead amongst Democratic voters, what makes you think they’ll pull in more votes in the general?
That’s just it. Bernie’s pitch isn’t going to sell better with the general population than with the free healthcare loving Democrats. But Biden would be wise to be more like Bernie?
You might be right. We’ll see. Regardless, I hope it works out to defeat Trump.
He asked a question. He was asking for rational support for your opinion and you answer "You might be right. We’ll see. " That kinda encapsulates what I was talking about.
Are you just looking for an argument? My feelings aren’t terribly strong, especially because I know I’ve been wrong about some of it based on recent data. We’re just talking here. I’ve said why I believed what I do, and I stand by it, but I don’t believe it very strongly. Mostly just a feeling right now, but not a strong one. I don’t think any of this (what is the most effective strategy to win an election) can be predicted with any accuracy, especially not by random internet people. But reasonable people can indeed disagree on strategy.
I enjoy arguing about political strategy, even though it’s pretty much unknowable in advance. Thank you for taking part!