So is referring to this asshole as female misgendering?
CNN is reporting that a manifesto has been found. I’m most disturbed by the fact that actions like this aren’t shocking anymore. This is America.
If the shooter is indeed a transman the bigots will be very confused.
Not having read the whole thread, the sexuality police are going to descend in full force. On a more serious note, my old pastor, an Episcopal priest, relocated with his family to Nashville a few years ago, and his wife posted on Facebook that they considered sending their 3 youngest children (they have 7 total; that’s not a typo) to that school. They know one of the pastors there; he wasn’t injured, not physically anyway.
And this sort of thing has actually happened before; the “I Don’t Like Mondays” shooter, who didn’t kill anyone, was female, as was this shooter in 1988.
This is relevant.
Of course there were thoughts and prayers.
must remember not to get political must remember not to get political
What I will say is not even one iota of this surprises me coming from Ogles.
Here’s the latest info from the Tennesseean
I keep reading bits and pieces of this and I’m just… I am so angry. And what scares me is that he had apparently targeted another school before this but decided the security was too tight. Could this have been at my eldest’s HS? Or my youngest’s middle school? Or the elementary school my kids had once gone to that is less than a mile from my home? They aren’t releasing it yet so I have no way of knowing. But the thought that he COULD have chosen a place where my kids, my teachers-friends, were is enough to give me nightmares tonight.
Parents should never have to worry about this. Kids should never have to worry about. No one should have to worry about this.
Frankly, I would have been surprised if she wasn’t a former student. Every school shooter I can recall seems to have been a former student of the school.
Ah, yes… the guns’n’family Christmas card. 'Cause nothing says “peace on Earth” like semi-automatic rifles. Note the pink on the gun on the far right, so your good Christian woman can feel feminine while holding onto a weapon designed to kill.
Well… funny how the US is the ONLY country where this is an issue. Maybe what we’ve been doing these past decades isn’t working and it’s time to consider a different path. Like… what are all those other nations doing that don’t have a mass shooting a day?
According to the article:
Police identified the shooting suspect by his name at birth, Audrey Hale, and did not provide another name. He was a transgender man who used male pronouns, according to police. Authorities initially identified him as a woman.
The article links video footage of the shooter entering the school by shooting out a door, and says body cam footage from the police will be released soon. The police were shot at before they killed the shooter.
Most of the rest of of local interest (when vigils are scheduled, what local events have been cancelled, comments from various locals.)
I’ve edited the title to reflect the gender of the shooter.
And PLEASE remember this is a breaking news thread. Feel free to link to it if you start a pit thread or a p&e thread, but post those thoughts elsewhere.
We’ve had so many mass shootings it’s hard to find one that stands out, but this one is notable. It’s a school inside a church, and (apparently) a trans man which is statistically all sorts of unlikely but there you go.
Are we going with he/him/his pronouns from this point forward for the shooter? I’ve noted that this morning’s CNN stories seem to be avoiding pronouns.
A horrid event. That said, the police seem to have done a fine job,
Those seem like the two best options.
If the person genuinely identifies as a man and uses he/him then what reason would anyone have for not also doing so? Their criminal activity is surely separate from their gender status.
The Onion publishes this same article every time there’s a new mass shooting, just changing the names and place:
Who gives a shit. The person is dead and is a murderer. How they perferred to be addressed is no longer relevant. The coroner’s report will describe the deceased as female.
Moderating: I’d like to remind people that the board’s policy is to avoid misgendering people, including people in the news.
Just stating a fact about which you may or may not care: “The archeologists/coroner will ID your bones as (your assigned-gender-at-birth)” is one of many very vicious things that certain very vicious people often say to try and hurt trans folk, the intended message being “you aren’t a (man/woman/etc) in any way that lasts/matters.” I understand of course that your intent here is to express an entirely appropriate level of contempt for a contemptible person. I just thought you may not know that you’ve (likely inadvertently!) made use of a hateful anti-trans trope, and that I should bring it to your attention.
It’s been a little confusing, we must admit. I spoke with my dad late last night – Dad is very much anti-trans, insistent on referring to everyone by the gender on their original birth certificate, and he was adamant that the news stories all had it wrong – this was not a woman shooter, he was a MAN shooter.
I’m pretty sure Dad was not defending the shooter’s pronouns of choice, but expressing his belief of their “real” gender. When more info comes out, I suspect he’ll reverse himself and become irritated when everybody refers to the shooter as a man or he/him.
Moderating: This is a breaking news thread. Please keep the topic to the news. Thanks.