Marine Recruiter hissed me off.

Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
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One of the schools I have locked down (60% market share) was conducting the SASVAB (Student testing of the Armed Service Vocational Aptitude Battery) earlier this week. Aside from the test administrator, a really sweet elderly woman, myself and a marine recruiter arrived to proctor the test. The Marine recruiter had never been to a SASVAB before. As students are taking the test, one was writing in the book on the math portion, I saw him, and said in a voice loud enough to be heard by all, “Don’t write in the books,” and said nothing further.

During the test this Marine picked up the book of a student who had finished a section and was thumbing through the book and reading some of the questions.

When I was collecting the test books, upon completion of the test, I asked the Marine recruiter if he was going to collect the books to put them in numerical order, (something the administrator wanted done.) He said something along the lines of, “You do it, I don’t have to.”
Now, I out rank him. I am an E-6, he is an E-5. I let it go, because I figured he didn’t know, and his station commander is really a good guy.
I found out tonight that after I made the comment about writing in the book, I found out he had made the comment to the tester, “Don’t worry, I will kick his ass for that later.”

I have helped the Marine station commander in the past by giving him contracts. I have run police checks for him if he needs help. I have even introduced him to COI’s ( Centers of Influance i.e. principals, teachers, employers). To repay me for this, I have his recruiter threatening violence against me for enforcing the rules of the test.

I said nothing to the test administrator about his looking at the test book.

What hisses me off is that Marines can present themselves as tough and hard, but in all respects, and in all branches, we need to be professionals. I spent a lot of time in this school in order to get the market share that I have, now I need to know that I can make blind threats to hold my share?

Anyway, the Army is held to a higher standard I would hope.

SSG Schwartz

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Sssssssssssssssssssssssss!

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Sorry for not adding anything substantive, “Hissed me off” just struck my whimsy-bone. :smack:

But um, to try to…

Dunno, seems a bit of an overreaction to one butt-head. I’m sure there’s one in every bunch regardless of who their commander is. If you’re going to be seeing the guy around for a while maybe report his actions to your friend (the station commander.) I doubt he would mind you informing him of misconduct on the part of one of his men.

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Just remember, he’s stuck in the Marine Corps and you are not. That should be more than sufficient punishment. :slight_smile:

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Fill out a sworn statement and give it to his boss. Never, ever, EVER, just “let it go”. Superior NCOs allowing junior noncoms to act like that with no repercussions is why the NCO Corps is falling to shit in the US Military. Nobody wants to man up and put people “in their place”. You should have locked his ass up outside and given him a thorough verbal lashing and then contacted his NCO; then followed it up with a sworn statement.
Fuck him and his Marine buddies. Stop being a pussy and represent.

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Seriously, if he had said that to me I’d have at least responded with “Excuse me? You may want to go back and edit that sentence buck sergeant.”

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OK, I’ve seen “locked up” a couple of times now. From the context it seems to mean take someone someplace private for a little one-on-one extended ass chewing. Is that about it?

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Thats what it means. He outranks the marine in the story. He could have said “Lets talk outside, sergeant.”.

As soon as they get outside he could have told him to stand at attention or parade rest and chewed his ass out. I wouldn’t have done that to another NCO unless he was really being a jackass, though. But I would have reminded him that even though we’re in different branches I outrank him, I have general military authority to give him orders and he’d better never, ever, speak to me like that again. Oh, and yes, you will pick up these books sergeant, because I told you to.

“Locking him up” would have in that case insured that he didn’t say anything, but just took his ass chewing.

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Locking someone up to me means making them stand at attention or parade rest when you’re speaking to them, and it’s usually when you’re chewing someone’s ass.

Marines are notorious for not respecting the other services, and you have to be firm with them, and not afraid to take it up their chain of command. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if this guy thinks an E-5 in the Marines outranks an E-6 in the Army. Just be sure his chain of command won’t blow off your chain of command, if it comes down to it.

I worked joint-service my whole career, and it happens sometimes you have to call in a senior ranking Marine to discipline a Marine, because he won’t take it from you.

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As a civilian professional, I must take issue with this.

Couldn’t you have kicked his ass first?

Honestly, people like that end up in the private sector eventually, and we would all be much happier if someone would slap a little sense into them first.

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And the senior probably laughs about it and claps his young Jarhead on the back after you’re out of earshot. Marines are like that. Every single Marine I’ve ever known looks down, hard, on any other branch as sloppy and undisciplined.

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Thanks, Bear, the book sorting thing, I let it go, because I figured he didn’t know that this needed to get done, but the way he talked to that tester is what really pissed me off. The Marines were off in training today, but I will do the sworn statement and pass it to his Station Commander on Monday. What I did not want to happen was a conflict between branches at the school for the students to see. It wasn’t that I didn’t want to address the situation, it was that I didn’t want the story to be, “SSG Schwartz was being a dick to the Marine.” If it was a Private, I would have handled it then and there, but with an NCO, I feel corrections should be done out of sight of Privates and civilians.

SSG Schwartz

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Depends. When I was a recruiter my boss and first sergeant were pretty hard core as far as military courtesy goes. My station commander would have gone apeshit if I told him something like that. But again, i’d have at first told the buck sergeant he needed to correct what he just said, giving him the opportunity to avoid the other stuff. If he smarted off then, we’d have a problem and I would have involved it at battalion level if need be.

You just don’t talk to your superiors like that in any branch, no matter what. I worked for many joint commands and that shit wouldn’t fly. Hell, I worked with an AF person that I outranked in my last assignment. She drove me crazy at times, calling me by my first name at work (AF does that a lot I’ve noticed, not to rag on them or anything) until I snapped her back and told her “I know its kind lax here, but when we’re working, you need to call me “Sergeant”…and thats not a suggestion, its an order.”. She complied, as she wasn’t a bad person or airman.

that being said, I have not met a marine that was not professional yet. I’m sure some of them get swelled heads (which they really shouldn’t…but I’m not going into that) but the ones I’ve met would NEVER do what the OP said. The OP should have cut him off when it happened.

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oops. didn’t read that fully, SSG S. You’re right, hence when I said I’ may have said “You need to edit what you just said”…but any locking up, ass chewing, etc…thats done outside of the view of non military folks.