I can’t help but wonder why GZ didn’t walk toward the street sign instead of across the block. The two things were more or less roughly the same distance from where he parked his truck.
Neither GZ nor the interviewers can find the part of the recording where the hand was over the mouth.
GZ’s story says that the TMs hand came off of GZ’s mouth, slid down GZ’s chest to reach for GZ’s gun.
So immediately before GZ got his gun, TM had his hands on GZ’s mouth–according to GZ’s story.
You can also hear that it is never interrupted in mid-scream. You’re on top of someone who is screaming “Help, help!” and intermittently suffocating them. Do you wait for each cry of “Help!” to be completed before muffling them, or is that just a little bit ridiculous?
You might also note that all of the witnesses who made assertions about the age of the person screaming said that they were the cries of a kid or a teenager.
I think he made this claim during one of the police interrogations. It could be that the stress was still working and he miss spoke but it seems like there is a whole lot of running sounds in the 911 tape and a LOT of time after the call and before the shot…much more than should take to return to the truck.
I have no evidence but I am pretty sure he didn’t just turn around to walk back to his truck he probably was looking around a bit.
Maybe the state will argue that he looked for him and surprised Travon in some bushes? I have no evidence on this I am just trying to guess what the states argument will be. I do know if I was a kid and turned right into the North-South sidewalk while being followed I would have tried to find cover before the pursuer had time to round the corner but that may be from the trauma I suffered as a youngest child.
I don’t know if the information about he leap fogged and observed Trayvon was clear before these videos were out.
I wonder if the Zimmerman claim of “circling my car” was Trayvon giving him a very wide buffer when he was forced to walk past Zimmerman the second time..
I Still not seeing the “depraved mind” standard being met at all.
You’re right. He claims he moved down a little as he tried to push Martin away. But then doesn’t that kind of go against the sucker punch-down on the ground story line?
This video goes right back to what I talked about before. According to Martin’s girlfriend Martin said he was already at his father’s house. This means he went out of his way to confront Zimmerman. It’s clear from Zimmerman’s account and Martin’s girlfriend’s account that Zimmerman was the focus of Martin’s thoughts to the exclusion of everything else.
There is no logical reason for his behavior other than to confront Zimmerman.
You can hear space between yells on the 911 call. Where is the conflict of his testimony?
She said “next to” that could be on the same block, within a mile or 10 feet away.
Note that he told her he would “walk faster” but Zimmerman reported he ran. It may have been that he was trying to talk tough and/or ease her fears or walking fast may be running in Zimmerman’s mind.
I am not claiming it could not have happened or did not happen. I just don’t agree it is the only logical thing that could have happened.
Heeellllllppppp… hand on mouth… Heeeellllppppp. Where’s the conflict in his testimony? What’s rediculous?
And has been noted before you can’t reliably tell much by the sound of someone screaming. That’s going down in flames in expert testimony.
This is a stretch. In the reenactment, Z says M was walking/running away from him and then doubled back to go circle his car. This little story has three details that were somehow never got mentioned to the dispatcher: Martin disappearing shortly after Z spotted him, Martin reappearing sometime later, and then Martin circling his car. I never get the impression there was a “second time” when I listen to the recording. To me, it’s obvious Zimmerman only loses sight of Martin once while he is on the phone. Not twice.
Zimmerman, amazingly enough, was smart enough to realize he needed to reconcile the shooting location with his claim about needing to find a street sign. So what did he do? He misrepresented the conversation with the dispatcher. He made it all be about the dispatcher wanting to know where Martin was, not Z. With M being the focus, he could come up with some halfway plausible justification for going across the “tee” to the opposite street to look for a sign.
But if he made it all be about the dispatcher wanting to know his location, his justification for heading over to another street a block away looks extra comical and ridiculous. So he had to lie about what the dispatcher said so that he could come up with an excuse that would place him in the right area.
But then that raises an even bigger question: what in the hell was Zimmerman doing in that 4 min or more block of time between M running off and the start of the fight? He doesn’t explain this in the reenactment or his written statement, because he made it seem as though everything occurred seamlessly. But that is a long period of time that is unaccounted for.
Both reported losing sight of each other. Martin said he wasn’t going to run BECAUSE he was next to his father’s house. There’s a time gap between when Zimmerman said he lost Martin and the altercation. Martin could have crawled home.
So the question is simple, why did Martin go back toward the location of the person chasing after him earlier? We know from both sides that they stared at each other.
Zimmerman’s very own written words indicated the suffocation supposedly occurred within the same moments as Z pulling out his gun. He used the phrase “at this point” to link the suffocation to his gun being revealed, Martin somehow reaching for the weapon (which is odd…how would the kid have even seen the gun if he was facing forward with both hands on Zimmerman’s face), and then Z pulling it out and firing.
It takes air in your lungs to yell. A lot of it. If you are being suffocated, even in an intermittent fashion, the likelihood that you’re going to use any of your stolen lung capacity to screaming instead of recouping loss breaths is absurdly low.
In the reenactment, Zimmerman never said that he was screaming his head off when he fired his weapon, either. It’s a wonder that he would have even been able hear Martin’s threats through all the yelling that we heard on the call.
A bullet had just ripped through his heart and plowed through his lungs, and you think he was alive enough to need restraint. Okay.
Thanks for reminding me, Magiver, that there is another contradiction in his statement.
None of the witness statements claim that Z asked for help in restraining Martin. Z seems really adamant that this happened, what with him saying he held Martin’s arms out and all, but why is this conversation not backed up by anyone else? And also, in his reenactment, when did Z indicate that he asked a neighbor to call his wife? (And why would he need the neighbor to do this if he supposedly had his phone on him and could have done this himself?)
Very little that Z says happened in the reenactment is supported by evidence that should back him up, if he is telling the truth.
The witness he’s referring to said he told him to stop and he was calling 911. He then ran upstairs.
The ridiculous part is that this willfully ignores the natural motivation of the person putting the hand over the mouth. You might expect someone in that position to want the other person to shut the fuck up.
It is ridiculous to suggest that the suffocation/muffling attempts only occur in the interstices between the cries for help. If you’re on top of someone, you can put your hand over their mouth, and you are putting your hands over their mouth, while they are continuously emitting cries for help you never interrupt them? This would be too much? A breach of etiquette?
Ridiculous.
yes.. It’s possible.
Sorry for the back to back posts, but more weirdness keeps occurring to me.
-If you look at the discovery evidence, you’ll see that the State picked up two plastic bags at the scene of the shooting, one of which was identified as containing suspected blood evidence. There was also a first aid kit found at the scene. None of the witness accounts or police reports indicates that the ownership of this kit is known. Oddly, the police photos show a pair of tweezers perched on top of this kit, too.
So questions are: what does this evidence show? Was it tested for Z’s blood? If so, were the findings positive or negative? Seems like if they were processed, we should know the results. If they haven’t been processed, why not?
At what point did the neighbor take Zimmerman’s picture with his iPhone? This detail was left out of Z’s statement and reenactment too.
Are the last two pics on this slide reel supposed to be Martin’s body? Because not only is he far away from the sidewalk, but he’s quite some distance away from the “tee” where Zimmerman supposedly encountered him.
I’m not talking about during the fight. I’m talking about afterwards. Z insisted he asked a neighbor to help him restrain M after the kid had just been shot. No witness has made this claim, though.
Your link shows it’s possible to recover after being shot in the heart, which is hardly a revelation. That’s not really the remarkable thing about this claim, though.
I buy someone making a short utterance with a bullet lodged in their heart. Heck, they might have as much as ten seconds of consciousness before the lights go out. Sitting up from a supine position and then speaking a bit after being shot in the heart..? Hell, even that might be possible.
Sitting up from a supine position and speaking with a bullet lodged in your heart and two bullet-sized holes in a lung? That may strain credulity a bit, even from an otherwise unimpeachable source.
And don’t forget we’re talking about a bullet at close range, too.