I found some more event records on the web.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bzn-XlBIM9nGWjlMRGVhRmJRUk0/edit
The created time is 10:03:55 and the first entry is 10:00:14.
It is obvious that created isn’t the time of the first log entry, so DragonAsh is flat out wrong on this matter.
Thanks for pointing that out. I’ll keep that in mind still.
SCSO directed me to the SPD. :shrug:
If your contention is that the SPD aren’t likely SPD to know how to read the event logs, I think that would be a point in favor of the SCSO interpretation over the one proffered by Singleton and Serino. ymmv.
Again I point to your previous assertions as to the SPD’s qualifications as competent readers of event reports.
If SPD officers are not likely to be qualified to read event reports, that seems to be a point against accepting Serino and Singleton’s timeline. ymmv.
I find your attacks on the credibility of the SPD to interpret event reports to be somewhat suspect. You have previously argued that the SPD were indeed qualified to interpret an event report and used that as a goodly portion of the basis for accepting the timeline as reported by Serino and Singleton.
The fact that you’re now implying that the SPD are not likely to be qualified to interpret event reports doesn’t seem consistent to me. ymmv
I am glad for you. I hope it goes well.
I also suppose that those data are worth recording. But my opinion on the matter isn’t terribly relevant though.
If you will notice, that is a log which was duplicated.
Check the event with the time stamp of 10:03:55.
One record was duplicated into another. We’re looking at the record which had another record duplicated into it.
You really should lay off the sauce before posting. The example you gave is clearly a duplicated entry. See the ‘Dup Event’ remark at 10:03:55?
In fact - every single log of Zimmerman’s calls - warning: PDF has a) a connection time earlier than the create time - do you think someone is on hold every single time they call the NEN number? - and the timestamp of the very first entry is -precisely- the log’s ‘create’ time.
What do you suspect that means?
On edit: What PatriotX said.
I’m getting ready for best friend’s mother funeral. I don’t have to put up with bullshit today.
…says the guy that’s spent the day calling all and sundry in Seminole Country, the Seminole Country Sheriff Communications Department, and the Sanford Police Department, while desperately searching the web in vain for evidence that might not suggest he’s completely and totally wrong.
Very sorry about the passing of your best friend’s mother, but you can’t really play the sympathy card at this point pal.
One thing I noticed is how immediate the police response can be. If a cruiser had been in the area, there would be no case Zimmerman wouldn't have had time to get off the phone. . Just bad luck for both of them.
I wasn’t asking for sympathy, I was saying I was busy. I notice you never bother to get any proof for what you proclaim. You just insult people that disagree with you. Cowardly behavior when you hide behind a pseudonym.
I just talked to Mono Rumph at the Seminole County Sheriff Center and she said that the Connection is the start of the recording.
Goodbye
Buh-bye, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
PS: Even though you refused my offer to change the terms of the bet, I’ll allow you to back out of the bet if you make a $10 donation to the charity of my choice.
I still don’t see what the big deal on the phone calls is.
For all we know George spent ‘80 seconds’ standing outside some woman’s window jerking off while watching her undress and didn’t tell anyone cause it’s private. It’s not our business.
Him not ‘accounting’ for ‘lost time’ doesn’t change the fact that he was attacked and nor does it put his testimony under any duress.
Charities are like a**holes, everyone’s got one(usually a work related one, they know nothing about) - and they don’t often add up to anything but money going to something unrelated to charity entirely - Susan Komen comes to mind.
So let’s not make this about YOU and your benevolence.
Joel was wrong, he manned up, end of story.
This story, and by extension this thread has outlived it’s usefulness. SYG will stay as a law regardless of the outcome in the case, and Spike Lee already found a new ‘issue’ to attack, so bleh.
What he was doing in the 2 minutes or so from the end of the NEN call to the start of the altercation with Martin was ‘not going back to his truck’. In his video re-enactment he says that he got off the phone with dispatch, started walking back to his truck and was approached immediately from behind by Martin. That doesn’t jive with the missing two minutes.
If this part of his testimony is factually challenged, what other parts of his testimony might he be ‘mis-remembering’? So yes, it does put his testimony under duress, including whether he was attacked as he says he was.
This isn’t about me, this is about someone being so desperate for GZ to be innocent that they ignore basic common sense. The two-minute gap is a problem for GZ (see above), which is why Joel wants to explain it away. The NEN call logs, the time stamps, and the actual NEN call recording could not be more clear, but Joel instead went to increasingly crazy, fanciful scenarios to hand-wave the gap away. Too bad, so sad.
Joel is the one that proposed the ‘loser leaves the Boards’ bet. If he wants to leave the board, as he proposed should happen to the loser, fine by me.
Oh, and just because you donated to crap charities doesn’t mean the rest of us do, btw.
It jives exactly with the evidence of where the fight started and it jives with the direction he would be heading from according to his video reenactment and it jives with is statement to the dispatcher that he’s no longer following Martin. There’s nothing to account for unless you think he’s wearing blinders. He states in the video he didn’t see Martin as he walked back. He’s still looking around. He can see the road the police will drive up on and there’s no hurry to get back to his truck.
There is nothing to challenge at this point beyond the speed with which he’s walking.
What needs to be addressed is why Martin is far away from his originally stated location which is nowhere near his house. Martin is the one who initiates the confrontation.
Martin should have been long gone before Zimmerman got out of his truck.
If Zimmerman’s truck was near the T. 35 to 40 yards from the body, and if Trayvon ran, that’s 4 to 5 seconds, more or less.
If George was so concerned that he didn’t want to speak his address out loud over the phone, we can surmise that Martin would be concerned enough to not want to lead the crazy stalker guy right to his doorstep.
That’s a perfectly logical train of thought but if that was his mindset he wouldn’t have walked back to Zimmerman when he was in his truck.
Huh? How do you conclude that Martin was walking ‘back to Zimmerman’? For all we know Martin cut east between the houses, then came back towards the cut-through to see if the crazy stalker guy’s truck was still there. Or maybe George caught him and was dragging him back to his truck where he could meet the cops. Or maybe Martin waited for two minutes in the shadows while George meandered about the doggy station, then snuck up behind him, and then instead of bopping him from behind, speaks to George and alerts him of his presence. :rolleyes:
There is zero evidence regarding who approached who. All we know is that the last publicly available evidence we have is that a) Martin was running away from George, b) George was running after Martin, and c) George spent two minutes in the area not going back to his truck.
because Zimmerman described it while talking to the dispatcher.
um… what?
there’s a lot of evidence this occurred. Martin gives his location and minutes pass before he turns up at the T intersection. Zimmerman is where he said he was along with the evidence of his flashlight. He’s nowhere near Martin’s house. Martin HAS to come to him based on the information and he is the one who starts the confrontation. This is consistent with his earlier approach to Zimmerman’s car. for whatever reason Martin does not go home but chooses to confront Zimmerman. This is what the evidence shows.
Um, no he doesn’t. According to GZ, Martin walks past his car on his way towards the house he was staying at. It’s GZ that follows Martin, first in his car, then runs after him on foot. We know nothing about Martin’s movements after the end of the NEN call. All we know is he ends up dead south of the cut-through, not near George’s truck.
Huh? Martin doesn’t say anything about his location. George would have us believe he got out of his truck to ‘look for a sign’, then ‘look for a house address’, even though we know the dispatcher never asks him for an address ‘where he’s parked in front of’ until well after he’s out of the car, and even if we believe he went through to the other side of the cut-through - HE NEVER GETS AN ADDRESS. Otherwise he’d just say, ‘hold on 10 seconds while I go to the other end of the cut-through’. He never does this, either during or after the call; this is clear even in his walk through the next day. And we know he didn’t plan on meeting the cops at his truck or mailboxes, because he rejects the dispatcher’s offer to meet at the mailboxes, and instead asks the cops to call him when they arrive.
GZ’s story has gaping holes in it. And only someone desperate to believe in GZ’s innocence would think that the ‘evidence’ shows anything conclusive about Martin’s movements as being going -after- George. I repeat: All we know is that the last publicly available evidence we have is that a) Martin was running away from George, b) George was running after Martin, and c) George spent two minutes in the area not going back to his truck.