Masturbation is NOT the same as real sex.

Someone mentioned something concerning sex in one of the many posts here – which is not exactly unusual – but I think it was in the Rape one where a person said that for a sexually frustrated person, a male especially, that masturbation was a good replacement for actual sex.

On that topic alone, I beg to differ. I’m on a psychometric medication for bipolar depression, among a few other things, and one of the irritating little side effects is that it has cut down my sexual desire and function to almost nothing. (I, of course, just HAD to be in that 5% that it would do that to.) Due to other effects of my illness, including a tendency to avoid people and remain secluded, I have not gotten laid in a LOOOOOOOONG time. I have found that masturbation is NOT as satisfactory as a sexual encounter with a woman, never considered it to be so even when I was fully functional and would like to point out that there is a lot more to sex than just the frantic rubbing of slippery mucous membranes in assorted positions.

I back tracked to the postings of a previous poster here who was ripped into bloody shreds a short time ago and read his original post on sex as from a man’s point of view. I ignored the volumes of ferocious attacks on him, his ancestry, his mental state and his relationship with the apes and did some thinking and came to a conclusion.

He was speaking volumes of truth. He might not have said it very well, but he displayed an insight I think few men and possibly few women realize.

Sex is not just pounding away until one shoots one’s load. Masturbation is essentially all in the mind and sex is not just there. I’m going to point out what I found that I miss and I am going to openly plagiarize some of MarkSerlin’s ill fated post to help explain what I mean.

Touching is of vital importance, at least from my point of view. (I’m NOT going to make his mistake by claiming to speak for all guys – which seems to have sparked the feeding frenzy.) I have found that the softness of a womans skin and the smoothness of it is as erotic as hell. (Big difference from being around hairy guys all day long.) The feel of her breasts is very erotic, with their delicate softness, firm feeling and the interesting hardness around the nipples. Sight comes into play also, for one can see the delicate tracery of veins in the breasts from time to time, can appreciate the curve and texture of them and take in the entire view of the woman’s body.

A woman is all soft curves and gentle angles, soft hair, soothing warmth and pleasant to the eye, at least to mine. I cannot vouch for other guys. Like MarkSerling said, I notice the narrowness of the waist, the curve of the back, the broadness of the torso when seen from behind and the gentle, attractive swell of the buttocks. Then comes the curve of the upper and lower legs and the forms of the feet. I LIKE holding a woman by the waist when making love because, as he said also, I can feel the strong muscles working there.

I miss the feel of her hands, the softness of her forearms, the warmth and softness of her lips, the feel of her cheeks and the scent and texture of her hair. I miss seeing how she looks in soft lights, how her hair shines and floats above me and hangs across her shoulders. I like the look of her pelvis, when her legs are spread wide on me, legs cocked on either side and the neat looking trim of her pubic hair and the soft, warmth of her vagina down there.

I don’t like the scent of sweat. I agree heartily with Mark on that, and I just love how some light perfumes become more intense when activated by love making and seem to fill the room with a delicate, sweet scent that adds to the mood. I will notice how her eyes sparkle in the lights, the softness of her face and the beauty of it, especially when approaching climax. I will notice how she holds her head, any sounds she makes and how she positions herself as her peak approaches. I will notice her weight on me and her warmth, the feel of her muscles against mine and, if she laughs, how it vibrates through her chest.

I will notice her lipstick, eye shadow and any painted nails she wears along with any little bits of jewelry she has on. All in all, I will be aware of how she feels. I will be aware of her, of her pleasures as well as my own, observant in case I might hurt her or if she gets uncomfortable. I like the smooth, very soft skin between a woman’s thighs and how it feels when pressed against me and the way she puts her hands on my chest and I will be VERY aware of how she looks when her peak is reached.

When my peak arrives, she will, for a few seconds, look like a radiant and beautiful angel almost surreal in being. I will also be very aware of how she feels when I am in her and how her body responds to mine. Afterwards, I will be equally aware of feeling her cuddled up next to me as we relax and enjoy each others’ presence.

(Whew!)

So, in my opinion, masturbation is NOT, just as good as sex, even if you have one of those $5,000 life-like dolls.

You know, Mark WAS right in much of what he said, but he did not say it very well. I might be on medication that makes it hard for me to function properly, BUT, there are still things about having a normal sexual relationship that I miss and the experience is greatly enhanced if it is with someone you really like a lot or love. Masturbation just doesn’t give one the intense sensory perception that full love making gives.

AND, just in case someone gets the wrong idea (like THAT never happens here) I do not approve of or condone rape under any circumstance.

So, what do the rest of you think?


What? Me worry?’

I don’t think it is the same either. Well, unless you poof your hair first and spray a little cologne “down there”.


"Every one is bound to bear patiently the results of his own example. "
-Phædrus

Firstly, let me say, Rainbow, that was a frank post. I hope you are able to overcome your temporary medical problems and function at 100% soon. It seems you are dealing with it well. You have a lot of courage.

Masturbation is just being lazy and “never having to say you sorry”, or was it good for you?

What is the percentage of females masturbation? Males have to be close to a 100%


The truth is generally seen, rarely heard. Gracian.

Of course masturbation isn’t the same as real sex. Sometimes it’s nice to not have to worry about pleasing a partner if all you want to do is get off and go to sleep, but of course sex with a partner is going to be much better and more fulfilling. I don’t know if there’s really a debate here.

I will say a couple of things about the details in your post, though. First, nobody had a problem with MarkSerlin for what he said (although that was somewhat of a problem too). It was more the fact that he was speaking for all men. Second, I tend to be a bit of a klutz. If I wore jewelry during sex (or had long manicured nails, for that matter), most of my ex-boyfriends would be walking around wearing eyepatches right now. So no adornment for me.


“Buffalo Bills? Oh, yeah. The guys that always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.” --WallyM7

All I can say is tht when I was in a reltionship and living with the person I was involved with, I masturbated a lot less than when I was not in that situation.


Yer pal,
Satan

“Masturbation is NOT the same as real sex.”

But mutual masturbation is often a great appetizer.


The best lack all conviction
The worst are full of passionate intensity.
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Of course it’s not the same. If it were, no one would ever leave the house!

Rainbow, thank you for that beautiful depiction of lovemaking. You have restored my faith in the male population. I also hope you are able to overcome your difficulties.

I think it’s definately a male thing. Women may do it as a part of lovemaking, but alone, not nearly as often as men. I’m not speaking for all women… just my perception.

Those dolls cost $5,000?

Next time you do it, buy yourself flowers and take yourself out to dinner.


To handle yourself, use your head. To handle others, use your heart. unknown

Did anybody find John John’s .sig line hilariously appropriate to the question at hand?:

Yeppers! $5000 smackers!

The doll is approximately (I READ about them and DON’T own one) average female size of about 5 foot 2 inches. It is made of synthetic plastics and metal in that it is designed to look and feel real. It is even heavy, approximately 95 to 100 pounds. It has real looking everything, including all openings and breasts. All openings can be ‘used’ and it is easy to, uh, clean. One can buy it different cloths from a woman’s store, though it comes equipped with a few frilly things.

I happened to switch to Howard Stern one night (YUCK!) and started to click away when I noticed something odd about one of the usual half nude women on the show. So, I watched until I got a better look and ‘she’ was one of those dolls, propped up in a chair.

I THINK, but don’t know for sure, that they make a male version for well off women who don’t want a bunch of hassles trying to get laid by the ‘real thing.’ :wink:


What? Me worry?’

polycarp

Question at hand? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

To handle yourself, use your head. To handle others, use your heart. unknown

John John wrote:

In the spirit of making this a Great Debate:

I disagree! There are times when, no matter how studly-hot you are or what pick-up bar you go to, you just can’t find someone who wants to shag with you. If you’ve ended the day still feeling The Urge, you shouldn’t have to give yourself a case of cyanotic spheroids (to borrow a Cecil-ism) or its female equivalent. Masturbation IS sex. It’s just not very good sex.


The truth, as always, is more complicated than that.

tracer

Masturbation is a relief from NOT having sex. If a person were having sex they would not need to resort to this ersatz form of gratifcation.

To handle yourself, use your head. To handle others, use your heart. unknown

IOW, sex is sex and spanking the monkey is, well, just spanking the monkey.

Whipping your skippy is a sublime pleasure to be savored as a separate entity from ‘actual sex" whatever the fuck that is.
I have done (practically) everything that I can imagine doing with a partner for nigh on 3 decades now and while I admit that nothing can take the place of a soft and yeilding lady, I have always continued stroking off, no matter how much parternerin’ was going on at the moment. Nobody knows how to touch my dick as well as me!

One final item: my informal research indicates that women DO mastrubatre, however it seems that for every time a woman mastrubates, a man will have mastrubated several thousand times…

keep in touch with yourself…

Thanks for the news flash, Masters and Johnson…

Christ, should we just open a new forum for people who just want to write love letters to the ladies? That way, these clowns don’t have to disguise posts describing how they penetrate their women in exquisite detail as General Questions or Great Debates.

Your OP itself is a form of masturbation. Keep your “peak” to yourself.


I used to rock and roll all night and party every day. Then it was every other day. Now I’m lucky if I can find a half an hour a week in which to get funky.

John John wrote:

Well, yeah. Few dispute that boinking a live partner is better than boinking yourself. But I still contend that paddling your own canoe is better, in turn, than just sitting there sexually frustrated.

Don’t forget that other mammalian species have been known to stroke their own mandolins once in a while, too.


The truth, as always, is more complicated than that.

Paddling your own canoe keeps you in a pond, but with a lady you are in a beautiful,deep ocean, plus you have those churning waves.


You can destroy your now by worrying about tomorrow. Janis Joplin

Ewwww. . . Looks like MarkRainblowSerlin is typing one handed again.


You better be nice or I’ll sic my lackeys on ya.