So I heard about this phenomenon in the context of another thread and decided to find out what it was. I’ve only just started, so feel free to add comments or info or whatever.
So far what I’ve found out:
They really really hate marriage. For example, I’m already excluded for being married to a woman. (If i was married to a man, it’d be OK? Don’t know.)
They also hate women - I think. I haven’t actually read that ‘officially’. Just judging from some prominent quotes: “Girls are a nightmare.”
There’s also something called the “sexodus”. I haven’t quite figured out what that is yet. I came across it in this paragraph:
This is their official statement:
Not very informative, but interesting, in its own way.
It sounds like that stupid men’s movement of 20 years ago or so–the one where men sat in a drum circle and pretended to be at one with nature or some bullshit like that.
I will say this about the boys and school thing: At my friends’ daughter’s school, a popular game is “See who can be quiet longest.” I assume this is a game promoted by the teachers, since I can’t imagine children coming up with it.
Anywho, if what’s prized most in school is sitting still and being quiet, it’s easy how a proclivity for running, climbing, exploring, breaking things, and wrestling with your friends could wind up getting you labelled as a problem.
Running, climbing, exploring, breaking things, and wrestling has never been allowed in schools, even back when girls weren’t much allowed in schools, either. School has always been about sitting your ass down or getting your ass beaten until you can’t stand up. We’ve stopped beating students who disrupt class - and you can thank feminists for that, by the way - but that doesn’t mean that children who run, climb, break things and wrestle are going to get the gold star.
OT: As a feminist and a woman, I encourage these men to go their own way. You go, guys. Vaya con dios, motherfuckers.
At least that was relatively benign. The drumming was cathartic, the male-bonding was usually genial, and so long as “oneness with nature” includes “not littering,” it’s already a step up from most of the human race.
This version, filled with hate and blame, is not benign and doesn’t sound at all genial.
I think what we are seeing is inevitable in today’s society. As to be expected we are seeing a giant identity crisis. Man evolved around a small village or town where he had a much better chance at distinguishing himself at something. It is part of the mating strategy of men to acquire and keep a mate.
We simply lack the opportunities to find someway to distinguish ourselves. Many men do succeed at this and enjoy the consequences. For those of us who were not successful at accomplishing this through a profession our best bet is to find a source outside of work where we might. Activities that involve creativity and social interaction are especially effective at combating this and helping us to feel more defined and vital as a human being.
If you allow your self-worth to be determined by your bank balance, you have already lost the game.
If you allow your self-worth to be determined by how many men want to hump you, you have lost (that is primarily directed toward the female, am not qualified to speak to others).
Both groups of whiners have now been heard from.
On behalf of 95% of the population:
Thank you for sharing.
Now sit down and shut the fuck up!
Thank you.
So, maybe it should be understood instead of dismissed as a crowd of basement-dwelling losers that can’t get girlfriends?
There are legitimate points in there. That girls are outpacing boys educationally is undeniable.
Lots of human cultures in the past have had some kind of “opt out” system (various “third genders”, etc.) that probably acted as a kind of strain relief for individuals that couldn’t or wouldn’t stay within the mainstream.
Maybe society can acknowledge that not being in a relationship is not a sign that you’re a defective person, and that maybe people can have other useful qualities.
How about distinguishing yourself by being a good human being - that would really be rare and unusual. I can’t speak for women, but as a gay man I am most strongly attracted to men who are decent and responsible. As well as for a spouse, I would think those would also be good qualities for a male parent (necessary, although not sufficient by themselves).
There are a couple of things in the manifesto that I actually agree with, although probably not for the same reasons they were written: not following “silly preconceptions and cultural definitions” of what a man is; and “living according to his own best interests” (what those best interests are is naturally a matter of debate). Otherwise, it sounds like a bunch of white guys who bemoan the fact that they have lost some of their privileges.
I think part of it is that the privileges went away but the cultural expectations didn’t. It’s not really a problem if you’re already doing well for yourself. If not, it’s a pretty harsh dose of reality.
Even today, men are basically expected to be the breadwinners. They work more hours and they work higher paying jobs. But with a huge chunk of undereducated men coming down the pipe, and an economy that can’t employ these people, that’s no longer reasonable.
I kinda wonder if a similar trend will happen for homosexuals, but with a time lag. Will gay marriage change from a possibility to an expectation? I can see it happening eventually. If so, we’ll probably see a noisy contingent of people saying that gay marriage was a devil’s bargain, forcing them into unsustainable relationships focused on expensive and undesirable things like houses and kids. Once, homosexuality was liberating and free of most cultural baggage, and now it’s been homogenized with the rest of society.
Sure…but, then, the group referred to in the OP should also be practicing understanding and not “othering” and demonizing.
It’s all in how you approach it. I see girls’ progress in education as a good thing, reversing trends that have been manifest for millennia. It doesn’t have to be a zero-sum game. If the solution is to emphasize boys’ education to restore parity, then that’s fine. If the solution is do condemn girls who achieve educational success, then you’ve made a lifelong enemy here.
Agreed. All very well and good. Just don’t phrase it in a condemnatory fashion.
“I’m fine on my own.” Great. Glad to hear it.
“Woman have been unfair to me.” Belt it, ya loser.