Please Join Me for the Pitting of LinusK

[Sunny_Daze]

Our dear friend LinusK has been revealing an alarming trend in his thinking of late, rather like watching a flower unfolding. But the clues were there, if we only knew to look for them. Join me on a short journey of discovery on the birth of an anti-feminist.

First there was this, an innocuous seeming thread on [thread=760066]Men Going Their Own Way[/thread].

Oh, LK said

@LinusK

I will say this about the boys and school thing: At my friends’ daughter’s school, a popular game is “See who can be quiet longest.” I assume this is a game promoted by the teachers, since I can’t imagine children coming up with it.

Anywho, if what’s prized most in school is sitting still and being quiet, it’s easy how a proclivity for running, climbing, exploring, breaking things, and wrestling with your friends could wind up getting you labelled as a problem.

Sure, it looks relatively sane, but it’s the first drop of water on the eroding rock of sanity that is LK’s mind. If you look closely, LK sympathizes with MGTOW. See they’re the boys who run and climb and explore and break things, but that only really becomes clear later. So let’s plunge on.

Next we have a thread on [thread=760530] What does feminism mean to you?[/thread]
Ooh, ooh. I’ll play. I’d love to contribute some heartfelt thoughts on feminism. Lots of us did. Should have noticed that LK specified,

@LinusK

Also, this isn’t meant for feminists only, but for anybody who feels like commenting.

Because in retrospect, that was telling. Feminists, you see, in LK’s world, fit some definition as yet only vaguely specified, in a way that feels queasily like “women”. Feminists are BAD.

Getting back to that thread, although LK asked about the meaning of feminism what the thread quickly became was probing on issues that are frequently raised by, let’s just say it, MRA groups: issues like custody. But the bell hasn’t quite been rung yet. Questions are merely being asked.

Then in quick succession we get:
[thread=761268]Are women as likely to rape as men?[/thread] a penetrating review of data that suggests women violently sexually assault as many men and men violently sexually assault women, so something. We’re all even now? Yay? Just what the fuck.

And, [thread=761408]10 hours of street harassment[/thread], wherein LK has to bump the thread multiple times to even get it moving and then tries to hold the position that the woman in question is not getting hassled. Whatevs.

Which bring us to the denouement. Evolution complete, [LinusK] sheds his chrysalis of creepy and emerges as a full fledged woman-hating whacko with this thread, the simply titled, but long and rambling: [thread=762527]Anti-Feminism[/thread]

A few highlights, if I may, to illustrate the crazy. I am NOT de-bunking the whole shitload. It’s hella long. But there’s definitely a nasty scent of misygony. Our boy does NOT like the women. Thinks they are users.

@LinusK

Feminism is about providing women with freedom without accountability; while at the same time attempting to define for men what it means to be a man (which happens to overlap with what it meant to be a man under patriarchy.)

Emphasis mine. Right… women are all a bunch of free-loading hussies taking advantage of men who are programmed to take care of them by the “patriarchy”.
And, of course, feminism is not about equality.

Feminism is also not about “equality”. The claim, however, is extraordinarily useful: after all, who could be against “equality”? Feminism is about advancing the interests of women, period. And particularly about advancing the interests of the women who are already among the most privileged people on the planet. (By the way, if anyone reading this sincerely believes feminism is about equality, I’m not questioning your sincerity: I’m just saying you’re wrong.)

I got nothing to add on that one, other than what is he on about.

There’s a long bit in the middle you can go read for yourselves and he closes with the Titanic.

[li]When the Titanic sank, in 1912, 72.7% of the women survived, vs. 19% of the men. Similarly, among children 15 and younger, 62.6% of the girls survived, vs. 22.5% of the boys. Subsequently, some of the men who did survive, killed themselves, because of the shame of being a man who lived. [/li]

Yes, survival rates on the Titanic indicate something, apparently, about feminism. I guess. NOT CLEAR. Damnitall feminism is a failure. Or a success. Or patriarchy is a success. That’s right female lives have more value, so women should just sit down and shut up already. I think I’ve translated it.

Bear in mind that this last thread is also a witnessing thread. There is no debate. Feel free to go, read, and contribute. You’ll be kicking in your cites, stats, and contributions all alone, or at least without meaningful response from LinusK.

TL;DR LinusK is a full-fledged member of the He-Man, Woman Haters Club. I hope by starting this thread he’ll bring his “anti-feminism” shtick here, where we can treat it with the reverence it deserves.

[wonky]

This is my favorite exchange with him:

@you_with_the_face

And how many times have women been warned about trying to “have it all”? As if “having it all” isn’t something that men have taken for granted for most of modern history? The implication is that women should fear becoming too successful, because success is antithetical to a balanced homelife. Men can’t be expected to be equal co-parents, and of course, forget about expecting them to cook, clean, and all those other girlie things. So a woman who wants to do well career-wise and have a family needs to prepared to “do it all”. This is rubbish.

@LinusK

This is just sexist stereotyping. I’ve always done more cleaning than my wife (because she basically doesn’t care what the house looks like). When she took her first business trip - when our daughter was 3 weeks old - I stayed home and took care of her. And did it every time she took a business trip - which is 4 - 5 times a year. There’s nothing “girlie” about being a good father, or cleaning up, for that matter.

I know I’m only one data point, but all the men I know who want to be fathers, want to be good fathers. And cleaning up - so far as I can see - is more about who cares more about the mess, than about gender.

@jsgoddess

That’s exactly what she is saying.

@LinusK

When she said

I thought she meant “men can’t be expect to be equal co-parents, and of course, forget about expecting them to cook, clean, and all those other girlie things.”

I’m saying: “Men CAN be expected to be equal co-parents, and to cook and clean.”

We SHOULD be expected to do it. And from my - admittedly limited perspective - we are doing it.

@jsgoddess

Try this. Read what she said out loud, and use your most sarcastic voice.

@LinusK

Well, sarcasm means you mean the opposite of what you’re saying.

So if she meant the opposite of what she said, she meant… what I said.

Which means I agree with her.

FWIW, sarcasm often translates poorly in the written form.

@jsgoddess

That can be true. But a clue when it’s being used is if an avowed feminist uses the term “girlie.”

@you_with_the_face

And “This is rubbish.”

@Frylock

LinusK in all seriousness and sincerity I suggest to you that your failure to understand the sarcasm in this remark would indicate that there is a lot you have misunderstood when reading or listening to things feminists (and perhaps people in general…) have said. This failure to note ironic, sarcastic, or otherwise non-serious intent may mean you are getting an inaccurate picture of things.

[Trinopus]

He seems a very narrow-minded and blinkered chap, stuck with his own fantasies about the real world.

He makes claims that are trivially demolished, such as that Feminists don’t care about prison rape where men are the victims. Feminist organizations have worked to reduce all forms of rape, and this is easily shown by a minute’s worth of searching. This joker doesn’t bother with even that much due diligence.

[Larry_Borgia]

The old saying “You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into” desperately applies here. I guess there’s some merit in debating his claims if you are worried they might influence some reader–and kudos to those who’ve taken the time to do that–but honestly nothing he says is worth more than snark and derision. He simply won’t acknowledge any counter argument.

[Emiliana]

@Larry_Borgia

The old saying “You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into” desperately applies here. I guess there’s some merit in debating his claims if you are worried they might influence some reader–and kudos to those who’ve taken the time to do that–but honestly nothing he says is worth more than snark and derision. He simply won’t acknowledge any counter argument.

I realize that lots of folks like to argue for the hell of it, but I vote for snark and derision all around. There’s no particular reason to dignify his nonsense with a serious response.

[wonky]

@Larry_Borgia

The old saying “You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into” desperately applies here. I guess there’s some merit in debating his claims if you are worried they might influence some reader–and kudos to those who’ve taken the time to do that–but honestly nothing he says is worth more than snark and derision. He simply won’t acknowledge any counter argument.

The constant litany of “feminists don’t talk about X” does grate on me, I’ll admit. He’s already trotted it out in a couple of threads and been shown to be wrong. I’m sure he’ll trot it out again and again and again.

[Sunny_Daze]

I was hoping we could just move that other discussion over here so we could deride him properly. What is the etiquette on posting a Pit link in someone’s thread? I don’t want to be rude.

[Voyager]

I haven’t yet figured out what he means by lack of accountability. Nor where all the raving feminists on the Titanic came from. Hell, if it hadn’t sunk the ERA would have passed in 1913.

Some guys make me ashamed to be male sometimes.

[elbows]

Just a bitter, one note song.

Deserves our pity. Nothing more!

[wonky]

@Voyager

Some guys make me ashamed to be male sometimes.

His nasty monomania doesn’t reflect on you or any other man.

[CinnamonBabka]

@jsgoddess

The constant litany of “feminists don’t talk about X” does grate on me, I’ll admit. He’s already trotted it out in a couple of threads and been shown to be wrong. I’m sure he’ll trot it out again and again and again.

It’s the basement-dweller’s version of “but she’s not as brave as these troops!”

People like that tend not to understand that just because something is important to them doesn’t mean it’s important to everyone else.

[watchwolf49]

@jsgoddess

His nasty monomania doesn’t reflect on you or any other man.

Of course not, each man should be judged by their own individual nasty monomania.

[joyfool]

@Emiliana

I realize that lots of folks like to argue for the hell of it, but I vote for snark and derision all around. There’s no particular reason to dignify his nonsense with a serious response.

Quoted for truth. I used to (like last week :p) get all het up about idiotic nonsense like this, but decided that there’s literally no way we can completely staunch the never-ending flow of idiocy from people that valiantly wish to remain so. So, I let them and hope that serve as a beacon to others of what not to do or become. In that vein, he seems to be a shining example.

But what do I know? I’m just a no-account (with props to their patron saint, Rush) feminazi after all.

[kaylasdad99]

@ddsun

I was hoping we could just move that other discussion over here so we could deride him properly. What is the etiquette on posting a Pit link in someone’s thread? I don’t want to be rude.

Well, common practice, AIUI, is to create a link to the pit thread, and put it into a post that reads something like:

@An Example of What I Mean

[Guest of Honor], you’re being paged…

I haven’t seen anyone get modded for something like that.

DISCLAIMER: I also don’t spend THAT much time in GD these days, so if I’m behind the times, I’d appreciate someone letting the OP know if this is still kosher.

[dropzone]

SOP, as always, KD. ETA: Which might be redundant.

@elbows

Deserves our pity. Nothing more!

Pity or pitting? 'Cuz I have better things to waste my pity on.

[John_Mace]

Well, he does have “remarkable” ideas about economics.

[Sunny_Daze]

Damnit, I missed the economics!

[Mijin]

I think in the feminism thread, he made some good points. Which is difficult for me to say, because i find his debating style unbearable in general.
That’s not to say i agreed with everything said; he would several times sandwich a big generalization or matter-of-fact assertion between reasonable statements.
But it’s a step up from usual LinusK threads.

[KarlGrenze]

What bothered me in the feminist thread was that many feminists rightly answered his questions. Their positions on child custody, rape, harassment, etc.

Then he turns his back to those answers and creates another thread ignoring the responses given in the first. No, those responses in that thread didn’t come, it seems, from feminists (according to him). The only real feminists are those he criticizes in his last thread. And he ignores the claims of people who self define as feminists yet don’t agree with the supposed tenets he establishes.

[Nava]

Just his version of the no true scotsman’s falacy: since his definition of feminist is “a rabid bitch”, anybody who is not a rabid bitch does not meet his definition of feminist.