It’s hard for your ideas to succeed in the free marketplace when nobody is buying bullshit.
No, it’s an obscure but apparently legitimate source. Here’s a link. The abstract:
The paper doesn’t seem to say what the OP thinks it says. The primary author is fairly young, not on a political crusade–and probably isn’t a Creationist. The topics of “self-esteem” and “precarious manhood” come up…
Again, interacting with real people can be quite enlightening.
My knowledge about life comes from reading and also living. I think, generally, the knowledge I have that comes from reading is less nuanced than the knowledge I have that comes from living. Sometimes right, sometimes wrong, but generally more shallow. I think that’s to be expected, since reading is just taking in what someone else has already processed.
Fortunately I have been sheltered from life and its misfortunes…
That’s not what I meant. I meant the people in the study, the 25% of conservative men who believe they are discriminated against more than women are also likely to be a group of people who feel that christians and whites are discriminated against in this country as well.
White conservative men are more likely to think Christians are oppressed, that Obama had an advantage because he was black, and that they are more discriminated against than women.
I think the line from the abstract captures all of this: “Similar to recent research on beliefs about racism, these findings suggest that groups which differ historically in status and power exhibit perceptual differences regarding the changing nature of discrimination.”
What’s with the occasional redded wordage?
Sheltered? You don’t say?
My suggestion is to experience more before holding forth about things you only know second hand if you wish to be taken seriously. Or do a search for previous discussions. Or frame the question in such a way as to not pretend to be an expert, a victim, or an actual complainant. “Does the Men’s Rights Movement address any legitimate legal or social issues?” “Does the MRM help or harm the cause of equality?” “Do any issues advanced by the MRM serve to damage the credibility of the group?”
It’s unfortunate that MRAs without an actual legal complaint tend to bark the loudest at women, when their oppressors are just as likely to be other men. It’s unfortunate that the trivial complaints about who makes the first move in dating and relationships, who holds the keys to sex, and complaints about the perceived “power” attractive women have over men eclipse the legitimate social and legal issues which divide the sexes.
Well, it’s good that you haven’t suffered too much. Suffering a little is probably good for you and helps you have empathy for others. Suffering too much is just suffering.
I didn’t have any suffering in my life (oh, when I was a teen, I had what I called suffering, but that’s not the same) until I was in my mid-20s. It was a shocking revelation to discover just how sheltered I had been. I’m still incredibly fortunate, though. I have had a lucky life.
Unfortunately, he did…
Each side will continue holding their beliefs. But at least I will not bother this board with the ideas the vast majority here finds offensive…
Sorry, I was just trying to see how the paper supported our OP. It really doesn’t–it just points out that various subsets of human beings tend to believe certain things. The author got her Masters & PhD at UT Austin & would probably be considered one of those evil Liberals. Here are comments attached to another paper:
Sympathy for men, yes. “Men’s Rights Movement”–not so much…
Thanks. I did/do experience depression.
But fortunately, nothing horrible happened to me.
It’s cool, I realize my wording was a little ambiguous.
But yeah, if the threshold of a movement’s legitimacy is only “I found some other people who agree with me, kind of”, that’s really saying something. Especially when you call it “feminist research” as though that means anything.
What draws you to the Men’s Rights Movement? I think most of us have events or experiences or just witness particular things that make us aware of an injustice. For example, I came to realize the huge problems in health care in the US when I married someone disabled. Before then, I never really thought about it. I don’t think most people get fired up about something until they witness it or experience it personally (though there are certainly exceptions). What inspired you?
It’s not offensive. The MRM gives voice to some legitimate complaints about custody and child support issues. The problem is that the loudest voices of the MRM are often complaining about supporting children they willingly fathered and making trivial demands that women make the first move in dating, that women dispense sex upon request, or that women give up control of their reproductive rights.
The other social issues such as stereotypical gender roles, unequal representation on dating services, or sensitive men who suffer under the hero archtype, don’t require a “movement” to reconcile.
From the website hosting the last paper I found:
Consider looking within, rather than directing your hostility outwards…
“The fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.”
–Carl Sagan (although he was a dirty liberal, so what did he know, right?)
I know I am not a genius.
But when I express unpopular libertarian opinions on a conservative forum, at least I am treated civilly.
Many liberals believe that expressing opinions unpopular with them is a moral crime. And in many countries there are strict speech laws.