Saddam Hussein has better medical care than this kid. Give it a rest.
Ya know … there’s a certain code of ethics, even in prison. As far as a pedophile or rapist is concerned, hell yeah I’d rejoice. And so would the prisoners. I haven’t heard of a case yet where they went apeshit on some guy for cutting someone with a soda can.
Well you know what, Bitch? Get the fuck out of the practice. You’re a fucking nurse, not a paper-pusher. Dems da breaks. You want a safe job, go do some telemarketing.
Indirectly, this kid had a death-sentence put upon him when he was sentenced to Juvi. I’d far rather rapists and pedophiles get the sentence than this kid. You’re not thinking straight, Headcoat.
Thanks fushj00mang for leaving active duty. I feel much safer now knowing you aren’t defending our constitutional rights.
You twisted piece of horse manure…
Naw, he’s more like Bill Calley, IMO. 
Worth noting here that we really don’t know what the kid did or didn’t do. He may have committed worse offenses and pleaded down to the assault charge, or he may have pleaded guilty to a crime that he didn’t commit in order to avoid more jail time. Public defenders will often advise defendants to plead simply to clear their books and lessen their caseload.
The kid may not have been the initial attacker. He may have simply been retaliating for an attack against him, or defending himself against an attacker who managed to lie his way out of charges. In an urban, dog-eat-dog millieu, there’s no telling who goes to jail and why. Cops arrest and DA’s charge based on the facts as they see them, using their own their own judgement, taking a variety of factors into account. They may not have the whole story. They may not even be interested in the whole story - restoring a semblance of order to a chaotic situation is often more important to street cops than perfect justice.
Let’s say a guy twice this kid’s size corners him with the intention of pummeling him into a coma. This guy’s beat the kid’s ass before, so the kid knows what’s coming. So he grabs a torn up soda can or breaks a bottle and cuts this bully with the sharp edge. Cops roll up. One guy has a weapon and one doesn’t. One guy is bleeding and one isn’t. Who do they arrest and why? What charge does the DA make? These are all judgement calls.
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spooje
Member Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 7,383
To those who have labeled this kid a worthless criminal punk, I can assure I did worse when I was 17 as a degenerate addict, although I never did a day in jail. I’m sure you’d of thought me worthless and wouldn’t have batted an eye if I died at the hands of the authorities.
But ya know what? I was able to turn my life around and become a law-abiding, useful, productive member of society. I know a LOT of people who used to criminals but are now good people, with jobs and families and everything. People CAN change.
It’s a pity that this kid will never get that chance.**
Absolutely. It’s the denial of hope, the loss of even the possibility of redemption that makes a hell, and this kid was in it.
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Diane
Member Join Date: Mar 1999
Posts: 4,665
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Originally Posted by fushj00mang
As far as being a drooling moron? Far from it. Actually, I am being shipped home and I am being released from active duty to inactive reserve status. I learned last week (same time as my ‘82’ post) that I’ve been approved to enter the USAF’s Bootstrap program (if you don’t know the term, it means I’m going to be sent to a university or college of my choice, continue to recieve my current pay and upon graduation will be comissioned an officer in the United States Air Force.) Furthermore, my lieutenant says he’s put me in for the Joint Forces Commendation Medal.
And with that said, I’m going to go check my field equipment. I’ll be back tomorrow, same time, same place. Ta!
And this folks, is what keeps me in job security.
(For those who don’t know, I work with mentally disabled/homeless/addicts/average veterans who lack enough mental skills to manage life).**
Exactly. I’m reading fushj00mang’s grotesquely callous statements as a defense mechanism, the coping strategy of someone who’s been put under too much stress, who’s had to deal with too much fear and rage.
The irony, as I see it, is that fush has boasted on many occasions here on the SDMB that if a person were to commit one of several “transgressions” that, he, fuch, would beat the shit out of said transgressor.
This proposed beatdown, if effectuated, could (and should) land fush in the pokey, on the same charge as the kid from Miami.
Where, if he were to suffer an attack of appendicitis, he would die in a pile of his own excrement, and rightly so, according to him.
One can only hope. But, as fush is headed off to be a college boy, he is bound to run into more than a few individuals whom he will deem worthy of a thrashing. Perhaps the stars will align.
No, you’re a fucking idiot.
That’s the scariest thing i’ve read in a long time.
Yet you are happy enough to opine, over and over, that he got what he deserved. In a civilized country like the United States, being sent to jail is punishment for committing a crime. The law does not allow for torture within the confines of the prison, and nor does it state that prisoners will be denied medical attention as a result of their crimes. Do you get it yet, you primordial swamp-crawling, pustule-infested, brain-deficient bag of mother-fucking cuntswill? The prison itself is the punishment, and the prisoner–no matter what the crime–has the right to appropriate medical attention.
Well, with people like you serving their country, America hardly needs enemies. You’re the first person who’s ever made me think about cheering for the enemy forces, but i wouldn’t do that because your comrades still need our support and our good wishes.
Well, we have only your word for those qualities, and your word is looking about as pustulent and feces-encrusted as your moral compass right now.
Don’t drag your comrades into this, you coward. The abuse is this thread is being placed exactly where it belongs–on your flat, dull, thoughtless, dim-witted, half-baked excuse for a head. If anything, i feel sorry for your subordinates; in fact, for anyone who has to spend any appreciable length of time in your company.
Well, you must be as good as fooling them as you are at being a total asshole.
Or in an intellectual sense either, apparently.
So what? Doesn’t excuse your idiocy.
In that case, why are you not appalled at the breaches of legal duty evident in this case?
Oh, i get it. Because in your lilliputian mind, “the law” only applies to people who end up in jail, and not the people who put them there, or the people charged with their care. And “the law” apparently includes open licence to deprive prisoners of their human and constitutional rights.
Well, if that’s true, then it makes your posts here even more reprehensible. I was still pinning some faith in the hope that this was all a big whoosh, and that you really weren’t stupid enough to post this crap.
We only have your word for those things, and we’re all far too busy being astounded at your idiocy to make a fair evaluation of these claims.
And, of course, the obligatory conclusion, in which our resident moron wraps himself in his flag and his service as if that excuses every type of idiocy and moral decrepitude. And, once again, he tries to drag his fellow service men and women into the battle, when no-one here is interested in insulting them. Do you get it, fushj00mang? In this case, it is all about you. And it’s you who are insulting your comrades by dragging them alongside you in an argument that is yours alone.
So fushj00mang, since you obviously are at fundamental odds with Amendment 8 of the Bill of Rights, one wonders which other sections you think needn’t be there. Should this kid even have gotten a jury trial? Should he have had the right not to be forced to incriminate himself? Did he had the right not to be illegally searched, and anything found in same illegal search illegally seized?
I could swear there’s nothing in the Bill of Rights about criminals losing every single right they ever had, but obviously you know more than I do, seeing as you kill its for a living.
As a matter of fact, I seem to remember that the guards who may have knowingly placed John Geohagan (Boston priest found guilty of many counts of child molestation) in danger of murder by another inmate are under investigation for exactly that. And if they actually set up one prisoner to be killed by another, in my opinion, they are guilty of conspiracy to murder, at least, no matter how vile the crimes of the murdered prisoner. If they negligently or recklessly set up a prisoner to be murdered, they’re guilty of manslaughter. What the nurses and supervisor did in this case certainly sounds like criminal negligence, and if the allegations are true, they also should be punished for manslaughter.
What you are is an asshole.
No decent human being would have tortured a dog the way that Omar Paisley was tortured, yet you think what was done to Omar was acceptable?
You should be court martialed for having lied when you swore to defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. You, sir, are an embarassement to this country and to myself as a citizen of it. I regret deeply that the first American a child in some foreign land might meet is you. I regret that you wear the insignia of my country on your uniform, because you don’t deserve that honor.
Omar Paisley’s Constitutional rights to be protected against cruel and unusual punishment (and being forced to lie in his own urine, feces and vomit while he died were most certainly cruel and unusual punishment on the part of the nurses and supervises of the juvenile jail), and his basic civil rights were violated in that jail. That kid was a human being.
Unfortunately I cannot say the same of you.
I hope to God that my brother is never under your command. You are an embarassment to the Air Force.
Ah, thank you, essvee, for putting into words so eloquently and succinctly what I’ve been thinking all morning, since I read fush’s first belch of callous asininity.
May I merely add that my father, his three brothers, and my own brother, all of whom served in our armed forces (my father’s generation in combat in WW II) would be as appalled as I am that this cretinous excuse for a human being claims fellowship with them.
I know your brain molecules don’t see each other often, fushj00mang, so pass this information onto them the next time your lone orbiting synapse reaches perigee.
We do not torture prisoners in America. We do not deny them medical care or food or clothing. We do not lock them in prisons of filth and excrement or chain them by the neck to a concrete slab. We do not put death-marked prisoners into general populations and watch them fight off attackers carrying shivs. We do not tell prisoners to “suck it up” while we watch them die. That this has happened shows that we have failed. That you support it shows that you have failed.
If you are indeed fighting for the liberation of Iraq, please try to recall the charnel-houses of Saddam’s torture rooms and the stink of the death rooms and the mass graves and the numbered bodies and the collected personal artifacts and the sad-eyed relatives wondering whatever happened to their sons and fathers and brothers and sisters. Please, for the love of God, please, please please try to remember whose side you’re on.
If you can’t tell the difference between Saddam’s torture chambers and an American juvenile jail, you may as well not come home, for you’d be just as happy there. Indeed, one might wonder why you worked to topple such a regime in the first place.
I’m going to get flamed for this, but:
Is there really any need to accuse fushj00mang of being a disgrace, or wishing death on him, or saying he deserves to be kicked out of the Air Force simply because you don’t agree with him? I admit it, I disagree with his views, but I’m not going to go around saying “OMG U SUX U SHOULD BE RAPED WITH A MEATHOOK” simply because I don’t agree with him.
Every person has worth and dignity. Omar did, and so does fushj00mang. No need to go so completely batshit simply because you disagree.
People aren’t upset with fushj00mang merely because they disagree with him, they’re upset with him because the viewpoint that he holds is utterly abhorrent and contrary to the mores of the civilized world and the constitution of the country he serves.
I call strawman. I haven’t seen anything approaching “OMG U SUX U SHOULD BE RAPED WITH A MEATHOOK” coming from anyone. Instead, I’ve seen fushj00mang articulate a position, and plenty of other people intelligently and clearly articulate why fushj00mang is wrong.
Yes, Omar had worth and dignity, but he was also deeply flawed and thus was deservedly commited to a correctional institution. fushj00mang has worth and dignity, but he too is deeply flawed and is deservedly having his ass placed upon his head by an amazingly broad spectrum of the board–illustrating just how fucked up his views are.
Wishing death on him would, apart from being against board rules, be hypocritical.
As for accusations of being a disgrace, that’s hardly controversial. His remarks are disgraceful. Can you respect someone with such reprehensible views? Hold them in esteem? Consider them honorable? No.
He has disgraced himself.
Well, yeah, every human life has innate value. Consequently, if fushj00mang were allowed to die a painful and humiliating death, while a bunch of Dopers stood around withholding aid from him because we thought he was an asshole, that would be outrageous.
Dignity, on the other hand, is an attribute that is cultivated by the individual. It is not a universal quality – far from it. fushj00mang falls well short of the mark for that one.
I think the main problem with fushj00mang is that as member of the armed forces, he has a responsibility to follow the rule of law and seems unable to understand that Omar isn’t an “it” and didn’t deserve to die like an “it”; under the laws that he has sworn to protect, kill and die for.
That is disgraceful. Once you put on a badge, a gun or a uniform of this nation, you are bound to those rules…unless those rules are go against your core values, and even then…
So unless fushj00mang enjoys watching people die alone, afraid and in pain, he has no reason to be against the rules of laws concerning the treatment of prisoners in the U.S.A…yet he appears to be.
If he truly does, then he is a disgrace to that uniform and deserves his pitting.
I find fushj00mang distasteful, especially with all the history we have, concerning what soldiers who seem to have a lack of basic compassion do to POWs, let alone civilians.
I like to think that we have learned from all those abominations…
If you can agree to that, you’re using some sense of the word “dignity” that I’m entirely unfamiliar with.
He is being paid to do something he brazenly stands up and says “I am not doing this”. THAT is disgraceful.
I don’t recall seeing anyone wish death on him, though I freely admit I haven’t memorized the contents of either relevant thread.
Nobody is saying he ought to be dishonorably discharged merely because we have a disagreement with him. It’s the dissonance between what he is being paid to do and what he is openly, deliberately and unreproachfully not doing, in direct violation of his code of conduct, a job for which he is paid by American taxpayers, that feeds the perspective that he should be relieved of his post.
Good for you. Nobody else is either. What was your point again, or do you just have too much straw on your hands?
See above. It’s not that hard to understand; he’s allowed to think as he wants. However, he’s being paid to do a job and is unremorsefully not doing it. Further, he’s in a position where this attitude will be conveyed to other members of the US Armed Forces. Do we really want people serving us who aren’t going to do what they promised to do?
True. Omar had worth and dignity. Fushj00mang has worth and dignity. Fushj00mang, according to his own arbitrary set of standards, decreed that Omar did not have worth and dignity. I believe this is the crux of everyone’s disgust.