That is my thought as well. Abuse is, IMHO, not so much what actually happens; it is the shifting in the balance of power in a relationship because one party uses intimidation in any form and keeps using it, even though it makes the other party afraid, powerless, miserable and unable to leave the situation, or more in general the relationship, even though they might want to.
A fight like this doesn’t do that, on its own. I’ve had ugly fights as well in my days. And during them, I was never afraid and neither was the guy, we were both just angry at the time.
I have also been abused. That is a very different thing.
I also feel this is a hit job. It’s becoming a pattern. The left called out “fake news”; the right made the phrase into a deadly weapon. The left called out “#metoo”; the right tried to wield it as a weapon on CNN journalist Acosta, by letting a young female staffer take his microphone from him so he would push her hand away, and then accusing Acosta of abusing her. They’re trying it on Avenatti now.
Ok. It is a gossip column site though, so I am going to take the details they provide with a little salt. “The Blast” isn’t a place I regularly read or see cited.
Agreed, and that’s reasonable. It’s also fair to recognize that the request for a restraining order represented only her view. There are apparently excerpts from that request for restraining order in the images embedded in the article, but I didn’t feel like re-typing them, so I just copied and pasted the article’s paraphrase. I haven’t been able to find the full written statement by the girlfriend anywhere yet (not that I’ve looked all that hard either).
To adopt a formulation used during the Kavanaugh hearing, “if the accusations are true” it’s pretty damning of Avenatti, agreed? Much worse than “basically just kicked her out of his house”, right?
Minus evidence to the contrary, I don’t yet see any reason to believe that Miniuti did this at the prompting of anyone on the Republican side.
Obviously, Wohl took credit for it, but that could just be him trolling. He doesn’t seem to have the wisdom or resources to try and set something like this up. I would guess that she just heard that Avenatti was running for President and thought people should know that he was mean to her once.
Sort of. Frankly, I find it hard to blame him if he stopped her from ringing random doorbells of his neighbors. “If the accusations are true” would certainly be worse in the Kavanaugh case. My feeling atm is that this will be more of a Chris Hardwick type situation, at worst.
I didn’t ask if you thought it was worse than Ford’s accusations. I asked if you thought it was worse than your initial description / understanding of it (“In all, aside from hitting her with pillows, he basically just kicked her out of his house from the victim’s own account.”).
He (allegedly) dragged her out of bed, across the apartment, out into the hallway. Then back into the apartment, and took her phone and prevented her from leaving.
I’m not familiar with what Chris Hardwick was accused of. Was it anywhere near as physically violent as dragging someone across the floor out of and back into an apartment?
I won’t ponder it much until I see further details. Your “The Blast” article shows an image of text saying he dragged her away from the neighbor’s door while its text only mentions that he begged her not to involve them.
I think you didn’t read the Blast article very carefully. It clearly says “After being dragged into the hallway, Miniutti says she began ringing a neighbor’s doorbell until Avenatti allegedly ran out and pulled her back into his apartment.” The begging bit came later, after she escaped Avenatti’s apartment for the final time.
I’m not asking you to make a judgement about Avenatti’s guilt. I’m asking you to ponder how horrific your own statement (“Frankly, I find it hard to blame him if he stopped her from ringing random doorbells of his neighbors.”) was. It sounds like you are condoning / approving of him violently restraining her.
It depends on how violent it actually was. I’ve been physically dragged away from encounters and actions in my youth that I wouldn’t characterize as assault ie someone was pulling on my arm and begging me to stop. I mean, the physical damage seems minimal at least. Your article mentions she called the cops when she noticed red marks? Like I said, I’ll wait.
So if he didn’t hurt her much when he dragged her back into the apartment, you’re good with it? Where precisely do you draw the line? Red marks and scratches are ok? What about light bruising? Is pulling okay but pushing not?
If red marks and scratches are the extent of her injuries, I’m waiting for the full story. It doesn’t make everything ok necessarily. Obviously, I could threaten to rape and murder you and your mother without even leaving a scratch but it would still be criminal.
Why the partisan fascination with Avenatti? He filed a lawsuit against Trump, so he’s automatically the mascot of the Democratic Party? If he’s a creep then Elizabeth Warren is too?
Why not devote your research efforts to real politicians? I asked you about Trump University; did you ever get back to me?
“So if he only cheated 1000 students out of $10,000 each you’re good with it? Where precisely do you draw the line? Phony teachers and scratches are ok? What about criminal fraud? Is lying okay but misbilling not?”
He filed a lawsuit against Trump, so he’s automatically the mascot of the Democratic Party? If he’s a creep then Elizabeth Warren is too?