Would you like a bit of free advice? It’s worth what you paid for it, of course, and you’re perfectly free to ignore it.
You seriously need to stop posting about this, in my opinion. You’re treading at the top of a long and slippery slope.
For what it’s worth, if Charleton Heston or someone similar had stood at the microphone last night and said something to the effect of “You peace-loving pinko lefties need to grow a pair and support this war!” I certainly would have taken umbrage.
There is nothing politically risky about epsousing Christianity. It is an extremely safe course for Bush to take, even if it is inappropriate.
Would any of the Moore bashers out there please address my points vis-a-vis Bush’s frequent hijacking of his own public forum to prattle about Christianity. Is that inappropriate too? Would you like to see him get booed for it?
Oh, and I’m sorry that I misrepresented the Bush policy about the prayer meetings. He does not “force” anyone to go to them. I felt that he was virtually forcing them by promoting a White House culture of religious fundamentalism, but I shouldn’t have stated my (admittedly biased) “feeling” as a fact. it was a poor choice of words. I’ve been so pissed of about this war that I can’t think straight lately.
I take the “bounds of good taste” to be bad launguage etc. MM said
Fits into the rules AFAICS.
Who knew the Oscars was so important to some viewers. Do people tape it and then walk around holding the tape stroking it repeating Precccious to themselves?
First you suggest (repeatedly) , well geez boys and girls…you would NEVER act this way towards a pro war speaker at the Oscars, that we currently lack “credibility” with you (oh No!!!).
Several of us point out the obvious…that we would react in similar fashion towards pro war assholes. (even DtC has called Moore’s actions “inappropriate” )
Do you retract the “consistency” accusation? Nope.
Now you come out of left field saying that we’re honestly suggesting that acting like an ass is only a point for discussion for the Oscars.
I’ll tell you what; the next time a celebrity goes into a pro-war rant at an awards show, or at any other function where the rant is inappropriate, you just bring it to my attention and I’ll take 'em to the Pit.
Of course, I don’t recall that happening any time recently. But the next time it does, let me know and I’ll rip into them.
Sorry, but that’s entirely circular reasoning. What’s under discussion is whether expressing political sentiments at the Oscars is “acting like an ass.” Given that Oscar acceptance speeches have been a political forum for decades, and that the producers of the show have expressly authorized such statements, I would suggest that the people who think Moore’s speech was indeed “acting like an ass” might want to watch something more suitable to their refined and delicate sensibilities instead of whining like a bunch of fucking crybabies.
“Goodness gracious, Martha, that person says he’s opposed to the President and the war! Help me, I may go faint and expire from the horror of it all!”
Well rather than read over your shoulder, hubby needs to read the whole thread, because he completely missed my point, which was in response to LolaCocaCola’s post, and was that whether you get cheered or booed does not make you a “hero” or “not a hero”. I didn’t say he was or wasn’t a hero, I simply said that popularity is irrelevant to the question. And for that matter, so is the question of how much money he gets for his projects. C’mon, do you really believe that getting money for projects makes one a hero?
But while we’re on the subject, I seriously doubt that this one incident will kill his career. Moore has never been politically correct, and it hasn’t seemed to hurt him too much so far. In fact, he seems to thrive on controversy; that’s basically his whole shtick. If he started kissing butt for money now, it would undo everything he’s about.
And regarding the “booed off stage” thing, I saw his speech, and if anything, the boos increased his resolve to continue speaking. His voice just got louder, as if he were trying to talk over the booing. I seriously doubt that the music was cued because of the political content of his speech. Lots of people had their speeches cut short by the music because they had a time limit in place. If someone has an actual source that says otherwise, I might believe it, but it seemed obvious to me that Moore was quite determined to speak his mind, and stayed on stage as long as possible.
I wasn’t refering to Pedro with the dead raccoon-type hair. (Was it just me or did he look like a bloated Little Eddie Munster?)
The other spanish guy who introduced one of the songs, I missed his little speech, but it seemed to get rave reviews from the audience. Who the heck was he?
Thank you and please, return to your regularly schedule trainwreck.
Moore isn’t the first person to get booed on stage at the Oscars. I can’t remember what year it was, but when Vanessa Redgrave won Best Supporting Actress she got up on stage, and being pro-Palestinian as she was then, she made some kind of political comment about Israel and “Zionist hoodlums”. I’ll have to look up what year that was.
There were other people at the Oscars who made political statements without being asses. (Chris Cooper, Susan Sarandon, Gael Garcia Bernal, Andy Serkis, Adrien Brody…) Making a political statement (and there are lots of ways of doing so) does not automatically qualify as assholish behavior.
But…nice attempt at a strawman there. :rolleyes:
We’ll be sure to pass on your astute observations to the members of the academy in attendance…most who seemed to boo the cretin.
Actually, the Oscars haven’t been used all that commonly for garish political expression, which is why when it does happen it’s newsworthy. Everyone remembers Marlon Brando’s fake Indian and Richard Gere prattling on about Tibet precisely because that sort of nonsense is out of place at the Oscar ceremony. (Like beagle, I agree that understated expression, such as wearing a ribbon for your favored cause, is probably appropriate under the circumstances).
And again, the organizers are not the end-all, be-all of what is appropriate behavior. Even if I had given my best man a green light to crow about his political position du jour, most of my guests would have been appalled – and rightly so, because a wedding just isn’t the appropriate place for that kind of thing.
This is not about the content of Moore’s speech; it is about appropriate behavior at a given venue. I’m reminded of the SNL sketch shortly after 9/11 about the company that encouraged its employees to wear red, white and blue; Will Ferrell walks into a meeting wearing nothing but a flag-colored Speedo that left precious little to the imagination; hilarity ensues.
What Moore did is (metaphorically, thank God) wear an antiwar Speedo at the Oscars. **
Given the frequency with which I was yanked from photo op to photo op, it sometimes felt like the Oscars… **
Maybe that’s because they don’t have any problem with celebrities, left or right, expressing their views in other forums? If Windbag Moore wants to spew his invective at one of his book signings, Godspeed to him. In that case, I may well criticize the substance of what he says (because I disagree) but I won’t question the propriety of his making the statements in the first place. **
I think we can all agree that sentimental glurge is a crime against humanity and should feel the full wrath of John Ashcroft unleashed.
So Moore’s an asshole. Go fucking figure. You couldn’t have figured that out from his books, interviews, etc.?
Personally, I think he’s a complete dickwad because he’s so fucking smug. He’s made millions off his books, conferences, what have you. As someone else said in this same forum, never trust a rich socialist. He’s a hypocritical, rude, obnoxious asshole.
But in this damn fine country, he can make millions off it. Bully for him. But I can still call him a total asshole, and I’m just as right as he is. It is opinion, after all.
Sure, he was rude at the Awards. That couldn’t have been a shocker to the Academy, to the crowd, to the folks who lost out on the Oscar. No one seriously thought, if they’d given it a moment’s consideration, that he would spare anyone’s sensibilities by being a gentleman for twenty seconds.
Miss Manners would NOT approve. I shouldn’t think he’d care, though.
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