Just so us screeching venters understand… assuming a mother who throws her child out of the car is “insane” ought to be the default position? :dubious:
And that should temper my anger at the highly irresponsible actions of a basically functional adult how?
I’d love to sit around with you guys and chew the fat until an official medical and/or legal decision is conclusively reached. We should do this again real soon.
There was no such suggestion, Quicksilver. There are a number of conclusions a person could come to before “Kill the fucking cunt” or “She needs to have the living shit beat out of her and her throat cut” (hyperbole…not accusing anyone of using these exact words). The presumption of guilt is unfair and the bloodthirsty reaction is more telling of the accuser’s mindset than it is of the accused’s.
I never said people are not expressing sufficient sympathy for the child. I never suggested a lynching party. I simply expressed sympathy at the clear victim here. It’s not like there is a lack of evidence showing careless and irresponsible behaviour by parents towards their children. Evidence where insanity is not the cause. Why should the assumption of mental instability of the mother in this case be the default position? Maybe it’s just me, but that’s the argument I keep hearing.
But you yourself suggested the idea that she may be mentally ill.
But don’t they fall into either the “mean” or “insane” camps.
And siding with the clear victim agains the perpertrator of the crime is a very human and natural tendency. What’s more, it was a gut reaction in a moment of outrage. Finally, this is a message board. It’s the court of public opinion at best. Anything said here is ultimately irrelevant to the fate of both child and mother in this case. I would hope that if anyone here was asked to be part of the real jury, they would let facts and not emotions govern their decisions.
We roast Tom Cruise for his batshit insane opinions. Opinions that have no real victims. Why does this woman deserve a bigger benefit of the doubt?
Because she’s being charged with a crime.
Hypthesizing that the woman may not have been able to appreciate or control her actions does not equate to approval of the actions or a lack of sympathy for the victim. It’s just a question of whether the victim was a victim of conscious, malicious intent, or whether he was simply the collateral damage from someone else’s mental illness. Either way, it’s a tragedy and a horrorshow for the kid. No one disagrees with that. What some people are saying is that the mother may not be evil but psychotic. If it’s the latter, it’s not her fault. Due process obligates us to make sure that the latter is not the case before we impose punishment.
I’ve always thought that “innocent until you have more than the headline” is a pretty good way to begin the process of determining guilt.
Why? Because there are far more loving parents than there are bad ones. And there are many, MANY instances of insane parents doing horrible things to their children. And because it is simply unfair to assume the worst without having the facts. There is no assumption of anything on my part. I simply won’t automatically suspect the worst scenario here – the crime of abandonment of a small child – just because it happens sometimes. I don’t want to be that person.
I’m sorry you went through the heart-wrenching experience of having your baby taken away, but from your post I get the feeling that the DX of external hydroecphalis was a result of the CPS intervention. Is it to your child’s advantage that the condition was DXed early, and if so, could you spare a little sympathy for the CPS workers who, under their guidelines, had to remove the child?
FWIW, I was removed from my biological home at a very young age, and my biological mother -who now lives with one long estranged sister- still rants about the ‘State’ taking her ‘babies’. The kids generally agree that, even tho our adoptive homes ranged from ‘mildly abusive’ to ‘brutal’, we were better off away from the biological parents. Not suggesting this is true in your case, but CPS has a mandate to prevent child abuse, and sometimes it’s hard to see the difference between abuse and a medical condition.
Again, not wanting to minimize your pain, but suggesting there is more than one side to a story.
Cuda
You’re a better man than I , Gunga Din. 
Alright. I conceed. I know when I’m outnumbered and out argued.
But if she turns out to be sane and just plain mean, you can all just… well… you know!
Cool! And if she does turn out to be a bastardly dastard rather than non compos mentis, then I’ll gladly join you in verbally demolishing her.
It’s just, I hate to jump to conclusions in outrage threads. Sometimes they come back to bite you in the ass when more of the story emerges.
We can all just bite ourselves. 
By the way, I’m not a man. I know, I know…the screen name is a bit deceiving.
Just be sure you’ve had your rabies shot first.
Tell me about it.
Not at you Eddy but I call ‘gladfly, BS, bullocks and never happen’ on this. the SDMB has a worse record of admitting mistakes than the news papers and if it does happen, it is even less likely to be put in an prominent spot.
I seen VERY few threads brought up by those that were wrong showing one and all how they admit with anywhere near the intensity that they originally attacked with.
Begging off with “I’m just venting’ is a cop out that says you can’t be affecting peoples opinions of these things and showing that jumping to conclusions is not a good idea but one that says it is accepted no matter the possible harm.
Didn’t happen here as far as I know but I have heard of a Mom who got a crazed kidnapper to slow down so she could get her kid out of the car and she took that opportunity as it seemed better than what was likely to happen. My point being that from an observers point of view, she was scum and need killing or instant jail after much wailing from the internet community as she was obviously scum…
“ If it is really as first appears from the first reports that this is what happened, and I’m open to new information, then IMO she should” …” is fine but just assuming that is understood on the SDMB is not going to fly because that is not the spirit of the SDMB. To misread, misapply and to take the worst possible explanation so as to be able to throw the worst kind of invective with impunity because of the nature of the anonymity of the net is the basis for 90% of the posts on the SDMB.
Get a grip. All the nasty posts are totally with out merit because the posters are unwilling to come to anyones front yard and do the same. They know they are asshats and cowards. Their money will never be where their mouth is.
I get mad at myself when I let this type of thing get to me as I understand the perversity of human nature.
I must admit that I sometimes wish to have a hand in some karma at times.
If the world was fair, they would have hung me long ago.
Unfortunately, this attitude is becoming more prevalent in the real world, just look what happens in the court system or the legislatures and there is really some good reason to be leery of people in general.
YMMV