If this doesn’t fill you with anger then you’re a heartless fuck!
It seems the US actually provided the Peruvian assholes the needed info to locate this plane. Even if they were carrying 1000 tons of cocaine, does that warrant the ‘shoot first, ask questions later’ mentality to issue a summary death sentence?
Not to mention, they were innocent American missionaries!
More on this later, I’m too pissed to elaborate right now…
Not to be saluting the Peruvian Air Force, but I think you’ve ignored about one half of the very article you just cited.
Looks to me like it may have been an instance quite similar to running when the police tell you to stop. Notice that I said “may have been.” At least that’s what Peru’s claiming. Since the civilian plane’s pilot obviously had the capability to respond, he should’ve done so when told to.
This is just the kind of ignorance I was speaking of in the OP…
It is possible, however unlikely, that their radio was not working.
They encroached on the airspace of another country. Remember the Korean Air Lines flight that was shot douwn 20 years ago after flying over Russian airspace? I did not feel that this was adequate justification to kill all of those people, either. Military fighters can always force a plane down, they don’t have to destroy it!!
Acccidents will happen, it’s just not humane to machine gun people before you know the’re guilty of something! The DEA is no better than bunch of fucking NAZIs.
You stupid fuck, don’t illegitimately compare people to Nazis. There are no DEA-sponsered death camps. The DEA does not target and exterminate people based on a trait they cannot control. They are not attempting to take over other countries and force them into compliance with their goals.
Nazis ae very bad. Do not trivialize the nature of Nazism by comparing every fucking thing to it.
Nope, I don’t usually file a drive plan because that’s not required in an automobile. It seems to be a different story for airplanes or have you not noticed that an aircraft is different from an automobile?
Actually, there were a few times in my life when I was required to file a drive plan with the police. I was living on Diego Garcia in the British Indian Ocean Territory last year and desired to visit the Plantation. One must have a permit from the Territorial Police (cost one US dollar per person for permit) to drive past the Plantation Gate. Being caught in the Plantation without a permit subjects one to arrest and fine.
Go to hell. I obviously posted “not to be saluting the Peruvian Air Force” and “may have been” in my posting and repeated “may have been” for the illiterate such as you.
Very doubtful the radio wasn’t working becuase it was working when the plane was on the ground after the incident.
I never said I felt it was adequate justification to shoot down everyone. The situation witht he KAL flight is different because the large passenger aircraft supposedly doesn’t look like a military fighter jet or bomber. On the other hand, the small private plane shot in this instance looks exactly like small private planes used in dope smuggling.
You’re confusing the Armed Forces of Peru with the Drug Enforcement Agency of the United States of America and you call me ignorant? What an ass!
Then I guess I’m a heartless fuck… a heartless fuck that doesn’t start foaming at the mouth every time something less-than-pleasant happens. May I suggest that you wait until all the facts are known before you begin condemning people to hell?
The fuck? How exactly can a fighter aircraft force down another plane? This is most probably another one of those urban myths, along with the concept of “shooting to wound” that sounds great when you see it in some Arnie movie but which doesn’t fucking work in the real world.
I think you are quite right, except for your last point. The DEA actually does force other countries into compliance with their goals. They use various incentives and threats to keep the rest of the western hemisphere playing their game. And occasionally the US will just illegally invade some country because they are part of the drug problem.
And actually, now that I think about it, your second point isn’t quite right either. Doesn’t the definition of addiction involve a loss of control? So I suppose the DEA does target people that have a trait they can’t control. But they don’t exterminate them, just jail them for absurdly long periods of time. So I guess it’s OK.
What bothers me is that the “war on drugs” is just way to overemphasized anyway. Shooting someone because they’re transporting drugs? Geeeezz! I hardly think it’s worth killing someone over. (But then, I’m pro-legalization, so just ignore me)
SPOOFE, so you think that my claim that the DEA exerts control over other governments is ridiculous. Maybe. Maybe other countries let the US fly intercept planes and spray herbicide all over their country out of the goodness of their hearts. And maybe no matter what they will do - even if they legalize drugs - the US will still support them and love them.
But somehow, I doubt the world really works like that.
Actually, I believe the DEA mostly goes after drug dealers and smugglers. Not that the War on Drugs is justifiable, or that it exact incredible suffering from addicts, but that is mostly done by local law enforcement. And I’d like to see a cite for the part about illegal invasions of other countries.
Invasion of Panama to remove Noriega. From the Encyclopaedia Britannica: “…the United States invaded
Panama, chiefly for the purpose of capturing Noriega (which it succeeded in doing on Jan. 3, 1990) and
bringing him to trial in the United States. In 1992, in a U.S. federal court, he was convicted of cocaine
trafficking, racketeering, and money laundering.”
Yes, you stupid dickhead, there’s an entire race of people, born with heroin needles coming out of their arms. They’ve been persecuted for generations, forced out of their ancestral homeland by invaders.
Listen, numbnuts, people who take drugs (people who choose to do something illegal or chose to at some point, knowing the risks of addiction and are now addicted) are not the same thing as Jews, Slavs, Gypsies and homosexuals (people who were born with the trait they were persecuted for, a trait they cannot change (if you give me shit over including homosexuals in this, I will find you with a 2 by 4)). And, drug addicts aren’t being executed.
So, your argument is,
Nazis do A to B.
The DEA doesn’t do A, to people who are not in group B.
Therefore, the DEA are similar to Nazis in this respect.
And no, the DEA doesn’t not
When was the last time territory was added to the United States? (hint: before the creation of the DEA)
If we took over those countries, they don’t need to worry about the DEA because the IRS is about to come down on their ass; they don’t pay any fucking taxes.
You are a jackass.
*Nazis are very bad. Do not trivialize the nature of Nazism by comparing every fucking thing to it.
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OK, folks, very important point here. ANY time you cross an international border in an airplane you MUST file a flight plan. There are very specific rules and regulations about crossing such a border by air. If you break the rules the military will send someone to intercept and yes, the air force of any given country you name may, indeed, shoot down even an obviously “civilian” airplane if circumstances are suspicious enough. Even over the US-Canada border, which has got to be about as loose as an international border gets these days, this is deadly serious business.
This is done for YOUR protection (“your” being the collective good). A small airplane can smuggle dangerous items or people. A small airplane can operate as a spy platform. It could do some major damage if flown into certain objects - like commercial airliners and/or buildings. If you cross the border without a flight plan you look like a terrorist or drug smugler.
These rules are not mysterious. They are required knowledge of ANY pilot ANYWHERE in the world.
OK, more info. Since radio failure is always a possibility, and a plane with radio (or other instrument failure) can stray over a border, there are non-radio signals used in intercept situations. This also takes care of situations where the pilot is deaf and can’t use the radio (yes, there are deaf pilots). There are standard reply signals that any aircraft can use to reply. Again, these signals are no mystery.
What is mysterious is why a pilot, intercepted by obviously military planes, wouldn’t respond at all. It is, indeed, much like having the police signal you to pull over then speeding away.
Any time you’re flying that near an international border you better damn well know where you are. You better file a flight plan. You better activate it. I’m sure the fact that these people are/were missionaries adds something to the story, but at the time the Peruvians intercepted them the Peruvians didn’t know that.
I do. I find it to be a silly, unsupportable notion, bred out of fear of a powerful institution, and general ignorance.
Have you ever heard the expression “Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth”? If you were offered free protection from a danger (real or imagined), you’d have to be pretty damned stupid to turn it down.
You’d also have to be pretty damned stupid to think that the DEA is trying to take over the world. I’m sure that Mexico, Guatemala, et al, is cowering in fear of the DEA’s stormtroopers and Light Of Judgement to come obliterate all perceived resistance.
Why is that so difficult to think of? The U.S. cares about more than just drugs, dumbass. Trade, good foreign relations, good domestic relations… you think Big Mean Gummint will toss that all in the toilet just because Panama decides that coke ain’t so bad after all?
Then tell me… how DO you think the world really works? That the Gummint has been dealing with aliens, letting them prepare colonies on Earth? That the CIA created drugs just to let the FBI have something to rail against? That the U.S. has secret telepaths running around, reading your mind and stealing your secrets?
You’re just one big eye-rolling waiting to happen, bub.