Here’s how this works, Sparky. If you make a positive assertion here on the SDMB, you may reasonably expect to be required to back it up with some citation and/or proof. Hence the joke hereabouts: “My post is my cite”. Which is intended as a form of mockery for someone who expects to have his/her authority stand unchallenged.
This is not a breaking of rules, simply a form of mutual respect we hold valuable. It is assumed that you would not make a positive assertion without substantiation. Anything less is an admission of emptiness, confessing that you are as you appear to be, that is, blowing smoke out your ass.
It is further considered weak as shit to try to turn the tables when asked for a cite by demanding that someone prove you wrong, or let your bald assertion stand as fact. The burden of proof rests with whomever makes the assertion, in this case, you.
Or, you can remain as you are, an object of universal scorn and derision.
See, just as I predicted. You’re a simpleton. If what they have researched is wrong, show us proof it is wrong. Put up or shut up. But no, you can’t do that. We all see you’re full of shit.
It’s a clear pattern that when I post references of cite facts, you ignore them or dismiss them. So you’re just a worthless fuck who is afraid of true debate. You can hide behind all the evasive tactics you like, it doesn’t change what you are. Between you and me, I am the only one posting actual citations, sources and proofs. You offer only derisive, dismissive insults. Which tells us you’re simply not intelligent enough to engage in debate.
I’ll ignore you until you can act like an adult and actually debate the issue. Until then you are dismissed for being an idiot and a coward.
That wasn’t Villa who wrote that. I was the one who did it.
I’m sorry if it’s humiliating to have a person of Muslim descent prove you wrong.
Yes, it’s a fact. Anderson Cooper made this same point when interviewing this birther. You may not like watching it because Anderson Cooper really does an excellent job of dismantling the man’s arguments and making him look ridiculous.
Are you actually under the impression that if a 19 or 20-year-old American gave birth to a child in Canada the child wouldn’t be a US citizen?
Sorry dude, you’re wrong.
Like I said, I was born in Tehran to an American mother and an Iranian father and I’m a natural-born US citizen. So was a friend of mine born in Mexico to an 18-year-old American mother and a Mexican national father.
Look, you’re obviously extremely upset that the US has a black man as President and you’re having a hard time adjusting. Don’t worry, life goes on.
Moreover, you can seek professional help for it and their are counselors that you can see.
So you’re saying you would be convinced by the release of the so-called “long form” certificate, provided by the same people you have concluded engaged in a massive conspiracy to concoct fraudulent documents in support of an illegitimate President?
Step outside yourself for just a moment, if you can, and perhaps you will understand the reluctance to bend over backwards to appease birther nuttery. It’s a barrel without a bottom.
No. Let me explain. Anyone could easily get a COLB from Hawaii without having been born there. Happened all the time. Up until this issue flared up, you could not use a COLB (Certification of live birth, the short form document allegedly “proving” Obama was born here) to get a drivers license, a passport, or a gun card. It was considered not to be valid enough even for that. You would need an actual, long-form certificate of live birth that lists the hospital, the doctor’s name, etc. Obama has never produced that document and in fact has spent several million dollars to suppress lawsuits demanding that he do so.
In Hawaii back then, whenever a COLB was issued, the Dept. of Health automatically generated a record of a birth and sent it to the newspapers. It was an automated process. Anyone could get a COLB even if they were born overseas, and by doing so would get their name in the paper. It means nothing.
If a COLB was not considered sufficient documentation to obtain a passport, a driver’s license or a gun card, then it surely is insufficient to prove the eligibility of the office of president!
What does Anderson Cooper say that has been disproven? State Representative Berman, the birther he was speaking to wound up failing to disprove any of Cooper’s statements and the video ended with him practically in tears.
Also, I notice you decided to back down from your silly claim that the children of American mothers aren’t natural born US citizens or at least you seem to have since you didn’t address my rebuttals.
Sorry to disappoint you, but American teenagers do give birth outside of the US and the children are considered American citizens.
As long as we get to examine it for authenicity, yes. No such long form birth certificate has ever been released, and there are conflicting claims…certain people claim they saw the actual birth certificate in 2009 or 2010, then the Hawaii Dept. of Health claims all paper documents were destroyed in 2001.
Where there is smoke, there is fire, and around this issue the plume of smoke is like that of a volcanic eruption.
That’s incorrect. As CNN has pointed out the COLB is what the State of Hawaii sends out to citizens when they request a copy of their birth certificate and the US State Department accepts it for the purpose of issuing passports.
So basically you think it’s ridiculous to reject World Nut Daily as a source but think that it’s also ridiculous to use CNN as one.
Cite, please ? Not a modern, Birther cite mind you. I’d really like any sort of federal or State paper from that era that basically tells fed/state clerks: “don’t consider Hawaii certificates of birth as anything else than toilet paper, it’s so easy to get one”.
Here morons, here is the quote from the Hawaiian website before they scrubbed parts of it:
The Hawaii Department of Homelands, which administers programs to encourage property ownership for native Hawaiians states the following on its website:
ANDERSON FUCKING COOPER! Mr. Androgyne! ROTFLMFAO!!! HE actually cited ANDERSON FUCKING COOPER! OMFG LMAO!