You know, when the topic of rape comes up, somebody always brings up false accusations. Always. Especially here on the Dope. And yet the evidence is actually that vast numbers of rapists go free and rape with utter impunity. http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/meet-the-predators/ Ihope that link worked. It’s to a study done with actual rapists, who admitted to committing acts which met the legal definition of rape—as long as you didn’t actually use the word rape. Which is a very interesting little defensive manuever. Other studies both in Great Britain and here in the US point to the fact that conviction rates for rape are dismal, so that anybody who commits rape has about a 90% chance of getting away with it. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/09/cbsnews_investigates/main5590118.shtml That article cites a mere 25% arrest rate for rape, not conviction, something I notice that people sometimes cite in place of conviction rates. Yet someone is always absolutely possessed by the fear that somewhere, some guy, or whatever type, might get nailed for it, and not only that, for not-rape. And as Magellan aptly demonstrates, while he’s incensed by the thought of a Muslim guy committing rape, he’s indifferent to the way his conservative brethren treat actual rape victims.
Yet here we are again, discussing not the real and horrible injustice to women, but the possibility or a vanishingly rare injustice to men. Why? Even Magellan’s story is the same. Hes interested solely in making digs against Muslims, as if theyre all rapists of fourteen-year-old girls. And yet heres a story with some small shade of the horror: http://ca.jezebel.com/5760976/women-sue-military-for-enabling-their-rapists The story’s been covered elsewhere, but it’s the same: promises of justice, yet the fact that the rapists are our guys seems to shut people up.
The point is, it’s neither just Muslims nor during war. As the link I posted prove, rape is extremely common in peacetime, yet some people take it seriously only when it happens during wartime—and when it’s the enemy doing it to, shall we say, our women. It’s common in every country in the world, where men rape women during peacetime—well, peacetime, perhaps, for men.
The way conservatives treat rape victims? The way conservatives treat rape victims? So conservatives are the reason most rape victims don’t report their rapes, and conservatives are the reason that their isn’t enough evidence to charge people with rape, and conservatives are the reason that juries acquit rapists? What a loon!
I am a lot more incensed by the way that Mulims actually treat rape victims and stab and run over their daughters and sisters with cars for bringing “dishonor” to their devout Muslim families than I am by the way you allege conservatives treat rape victims…or for the way they would treat rape victims if they actually treated them the way you allege.
And for good reason. Seeing an rapist go free, on the occasions when it does happen, is a hell of a lot better result than for rape victims to be whipped to death.
All this bullshit with Mulims and women exists for one reason and one reason only, and that is to make sure Muslim men are protected sexually. They keep themselves protected from other men hitting on their women through burkas and that idiotic ‘no leaving the house without a male family chaperone’ rule) and to allow men to rape women and get away with it, for the penalty of reporting it (or hell, just for it being found out) is to be tortured to death, even if you’re just a little girl.
It’s fucking disgusting, and I can’t believe the good liberals on this board, supposedly champions of women’s rights and vigorous scorners of Christians for their belief in “sky fairies”, routinely defend Islam on this board while at the same time castigating Christians and conservatives for behavior that is far, far less egregious, even if true.
Why is this? Is it just knee-jerk opposition based on the fact that conservatives are critical of Muslim behavior and so, ipto-facto, you have to oppose them at all costs? Or is it that your concern for human rights goes no further than your own borders (except for illegal immigration that is) and that when it comes to a foreign culture that is cruel and barbaric toward women you simply don’t give a shit?
As Eugene V. Debs is my witness, I have no idea what you are talking about. Rest assured, if I wanted to call you an asshole, you would probably know. More to the point, I’m dead sure I would know. You can ask Mags about that, he hasn’t the slightest doubt.
It can’t be about Marge N. Overra? A joke shamelessly lifted from Car Talk?
Nonsense. No liberal around here (or anywhere else that I’m aware of) defends or condones practices such as rape, “honor” killings, or oppression of women in general in any Muslim society.
We’re all agreed in condemning such customs as barbaric, evil, and in urgent need of eradication.
Where we “good liberals” part company from bigoted Islamophobe conservatives is in refusing to endorse your silly notion that because some Muslim societies nowadays are mired in misogynistic oppression, therefore the entire religion of Islam itself must be condemned as evil and backward.
That’s just as bad as arguing that because some Christians are bigoted and oppressive, therefore Christianity as a whole is evil and backward.
The admitted fact that some loony-fringe anti-conservatives do attempt to make that fallacious argument about Christianity doesn’t justify the loony anti-liberals in attempting to make the same fallacious argument about Islam. Two wrongs don’t add up to a right.
I wouldn’t go so far as to blame conservatives for all that, but given that it’s the liberals who are always doing those “Take Back the Night” marches and setting up women’s shelters and so forth, and given that I just cited three cases of Republicans supporting legislation that would make life more difficult for rape victims or opposing legislation which would support rapes cases, I’m going to go with the evidence at hand and say that conservatives in general have tended to be less sympathetic to rape victims than liberals.
Sorry to ruin your inner narrative with reality. Again.
You really are an idiot, aren’t you. First of all, douchebag, just because I am incensed by the story in the OP does not mean I am indifferent or condone other flavors of rape. Or ANY rape. Can you hold these two ideas in your little mouse brain: 1) story in OP is disgusting 2) rape of ANY type is horrible and animalistic. And did your mouse brian not digest that the rape in the OP is not even half the story? I think I remember something about the young girl being blamed and then lashed to death. Guess you missed that, hon, didn’t ya?
Finally, now I don’t expect you abide by manners much, so this is likely to fall on deaf ears, but if you want to discuss things other than what this thread is about, start a thread. Simple.
Hey, mouse brain. This makes zero sense. READ THE OP! You know, the one that talks about the injustice that happened to a 14-year-old GIRL!
I will say that I appreciated you going after Elucidator. It was n’t merited, but it did do well in confirming your, uh, non smartness.
I don’t have a specific quote I can point to, but I’m not aware that Starving Artist has ever observed any sort of social injustice or criminal trend that he wasn’t more than happy to pin on liberals as a set.
Well, to be fair, Mags has a point. It is entirely wrong to project the faults of a subset of a group to the larger group. This is bigoted and stupid. He’s got that right, and he should know.
Well, Starving Artist at least implied it with his whining about how “liberals” allegedly “defend Islam” regardless of Muslim atrocities, while allegedly “castigating Christianity” based on much more minor oppression on the part of Christians.
It seemed potentially worth while to clarify to him that no, liberals do not “defend Islam” in the sense of condoning Muslim atrocities. Rather, we just draw the line at “castigating” Islam in toto for atrocities in specific Muslim societies.
And, if we’re reasonably intelligent and honest liberals, we also repudiate any similar overgeneralized “castigation” of Christianity in toto for evil acts in specific Christian societies.
But I think it’s fair to say that in our society as a whole, broad-brush castigation and demonization of Islam is much more prevalent and socially acceptable than castigation of Christianity. (Even on these boards, which strongly overrepresent American social-contrarian and militant-atheist viewpoints where the Christian majority culture is seen as a tempting target for sneers and jibes, it’s still pretty routine to see very hostile and contemptuous views about Islam very broadly expressed. The late unlamented Champion of Truth wasn’t the first bigoted Islamophobe we’ve seen around here and he isn’t the last, although he was admittedly one of the most extreme of his kind.)
So I’m not really buying Starving Artist’s victim act about how Christians are so unfairly maligned while Muslims get such a free pass. Yeah, some loonylefts around here are irrationally rabid about the alleged evils of Christianity, but on the whole Christianity is much better understood and much more deferentially treated in our society than Islam is, even among liberals.
