C’mon now, admit it - you’re just afraid he doesn’t have the supple mangina lobohan yearns for. 
That sounds like it would be really funny in context, but there’s no way in fuck I’m reading 22 pages to get it fully.
I’ll just giggle at the junior-highish word mangina and be content.
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NVM. Its probably bad form to respond to someone that got banned.
Now you’re making a different argument. You can try to argue a high correlation between terrorism in the US and Islamic extremists and see how far you get. That was not the OP. The OP was that whipping a 14 year old rape victim to death would give you a flavor for Islam.
Can you address my point about your attribution of the violence to the Q’uran? If the words in teh q’uran is what is causing all this violence then you would expect this relative level of violence and fucked up shit throughout history and that simply doesn’t seem to be the case.
The Vietnam War.
The fall of communism.
The war in iraq.
Hurricane Katrina and new orleans.
The Bush recession.
These are all at least in teh same ballpark YMMV.
Yeah so did the Vietnam War. That was part of the Cold War too. The Cold war was mroe than people staring at each other down the barrel of a missile silo.
When you are blaming shit muslims do on teh q’uran and the q’uran hasn’t changed in a thousand years then history does matter.
Yes, that’s a better way of putting it than simply “Islam is worse”.
Repressive, agressive, hypersensitve and in need of a sedative.
Then you shouldn’t make assertions you are not ready to debate or back up and just assume we will just take your word on the matter.
Alternatively if you have an OPINION on which people can differ, people frequently use the phrase “your mileage may vary” or YMMV.
I’m glad that you find your own argument convincing.
I’m not saying that racists and the “i don’t want to pay taxes no matter what” crowd are becoming pro-lifers, I am saying pro-lifers are adopting the attitudes of racist and the “I don’t pay taxes no matter what” crowd.
Its on the bottom right hand corner of every post.
I don’t think she is banned. I think the sentiments of genocide that the poster was expressing is banned.
Worst. Ben & Jerry’s. Ever.
They’re not defending Islam and they’re certainly not defending the mideival customs practiced in some muslim communities… They’re attacking bigotry.
Did we ever find out why Ashenlady was banned on 2/10/2010 after less than a month on the board?
Did we ever find out why Champion of Truth got banned four days after being created on 2/10/2010.
According to the ATMB thread, it’s because she was warned repeatedly, as well as engaging in several other borderline infractions that they initially declined to act upon.
No thread for him, which implies sock or troll.
I don’t define extremism in terms of how many people agree with you. It’s how far a position on a politicl or social policy issue deviates from what is reasonable. It’s not easy to quantify.
Practically by definition. Liberalism is support for reforms to dismantle the power of the “establishment” and create a more open society.
You don’t recall hearing commentators referring to the US as trying bring liberalsm to Iraq?
Relatively speaking in certain contexts, yes.
Your problem is that you’re putting the cart before the horse in defining liberalism. “Liberal” is an adjective before it’s a noun. It’s not defined as “what liberals do”.
Again, it’s about context. In one context, the establishment is being mean to a religious minority. In another context, the religious authorities and prevailing cultural mores are the mean ol’ establishment.
You serioulsy think there is no support among American feminists for greater freedom for women in Islamic societies?
Liberalism is not the same thing as leftism. In Russian, Boris Yeltsen and his supporters were the liberals despite being on the right while the Communist old-guard were the conervative despite being on the left.
In the US, conservatives win elections by suppressing voter turnout, and oppose human rights for gay (and until recently, blacks, etc. Conservatives can’t run away from the past as readily as liberals can).
Liberals are still imperfect human beings and there’s a tendancy to gainsay in knee-jerk fashion anything coming from conservatives–because they’re usually such assholes.
But we also struggle with paradoxes. Which is a bigger deal, minor conservative extremism here at home or extreme conservative extremism halfway around the world? And what realistically can be done about it?
I prefer progressive/conservative versus liberal/progressive.
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They’re just playing the percentages.
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Absolutely. One of the most destructive and pernicious cultural/political movements in all of modern history, if you ask me, right up there with Nazism and Stalinism.
What especially gets my goat about contemporary radical-extremist Islam, besides the whole killing/raping/stoning thing, is the way it deliberately sets out to suppress and delegitimize other interpretations of Islam that don’t conform to its twisted fundamentalist notions of doctrinal purity. Its adherents savagely attack more tolerant or pluralistic Muslim traditions just as viciously as they attack non-Muslims, if not more so. Consider just a few examples:
- Sufi Muslims in Pakistan and northern India, who follow a tradition of mystical and devotional Muslim religious practice partly influenced by Buddhist and Hindu concepts, with a strong theological emphasis on divine love and universal brotherhood, are targeted by Salafi Muslim zealots funded by Saudi Islamist fundamentalist groups, who condemn Sufi practices as idolatry:
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The Salafi terrorist group al-Shabaab in Somalia carries out brutal attacks against adherents of more moderate Muslim traditions, including destruction of Sufi shrines, in Somalia and other countries.
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Wahhabi fundamentalist activists in majority-Muslim Kosovo denounce and physically assault other Muslims for maintaining traditional practices that they consider sacrilegious, like reciting prayers for the Prophet (a custom rejected by the fundamentalists as allegedly imitative of Christianity).
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Islamist extremists use violence and threats to intimidate gays in Muslim or predominantly-Muslim societies where homosexuality is legal, such as Bosnia and Turkey.
If the radical fundamentalist Islamists just wanted to go cultivate their particular toxic brand of “religious purity” in isolation and not try to impose it on other Muslims as the “only true Islam”, that would be one thing. I still wouldn’t like their culture but I wouldn’t consider it blatantly tyrannical. As it is, though, their hostility to any competing visions of Islam and their fanatical aggression against them—ranging from physical assaults on non-fundamentalist Muslims to blowing up Sufi shrines and Ottoman and Shi`ite mosques—puts them completely beyond the pale of toleration, as far as I’m concerned.
Here goes that strawman again. Who is advocating tolerance of these shitheads? Oh, wait, nobody here. We’re simply arguing against tarring *all *of those scary brown people with the same bigoted brush.
The overwhelming majority of rapes are committed by men. Castration would prevent rape. Would you then argue that the solution to rape is to castrate all men? :rolleyes: