And many, many Christians.
I don’t profess to know the magic solution, but feel very confident that what we have been doing is not right. Ignoring the atrocities against women while attacking those that do have the courage to speak out against it is not the answer.
Excuse me forbreaking in here, but…
…to establish equivalence between Christian and Muslim depravity
you need to show some reason for believing that 50% of ALL Christians
endorse the need for witchhunts, and capital punishment of witches.
The attitudes displayed in the Bangladesh episode may be anecdotal,
but the poll results are not, and they paint a no better picture.
Also, the offending African Christians (if the offenders are indeed Christian)
do not necessarily enjoy a higher state of development than Bangladesh,
and I am not sure why backwardness should serve as an excuse anyway.
Flogging is bad enough if you subscribe to the ideal of prohibiting cruel
and unusual punishement.
And Apostasy IS a capital crime, right?
No, Christianity most certainly does not. Since you are too lazy or cowardly
to click the citation I provded before I guess it should be quoted in full:
John 8: “Let he who is without sin…”
(emphasis added)
Got in now?
So 50% of the entire world Muslim congregation is going against its own
Holy Book? There is nothing at all in the Koran or Hadith which might be
interpreted as prescribing stoning for adultery?
And, once more, how about apostasy?
And, once more, how about apostasy?
The Hadith, regarded by many Islamic scholars as a lens through which to interpret the Qur’an, repeatedly mandates stoning as punishment for adultery.
That’s pretty fucked up. Where did the events in the linked story take place, btw? The newspaper’s website seems to take it for granted that anyone reading it would know.
So is this all about inviting us to join you in some RO, or did you have some other purpose in mind in starting this thread? The ummm, provocatively worded title is suggestive, but I’d appreciate some clarification.
If it’s not too much trouble.
But we haven’t been doing anything, with regard to the 14-year-old girls who have been murdered for being raped in some godforsaken village halfway across the world. Neither have we been doing anything regarding the men who torture and murder 13-year-old girls for witchcraft somewhere in the asshole of Tanzania, except requesting their blessings for our vice-presidential candidates.
Never mind a magic solution, what would you have us do at all, aside from looking for ways to insult and vent outrage at one quarter of the world’s population? What can this crime possibly have to do with the guy who owns the little computer store around the corner from me? Or the couple who own the African grocery? Why do you need to condemn an entire group of unrelated people based on your ability pull embarassing quotes from a 1500-year-old book?
A schism in Islam? I doubt that could happen, the concept doesnt translate in Arabic.
Is it an obligation to be quasi illiterate to be a Muslim hater?
P.S: John Mace, I totally agree with you, should I go to a doctor?
For one, I don’t care about embarrassing quotes from a 1500 yr old book. If that makes me an infidel or even a heretic, I care not.
For starters, the Leaders of the “civilized” nations need to start pointing out this kind of barbaric treatment and declaring that there is no room for it in modern society and if the it those actions continue those nations will be spurned from aid, trade, etc.
Also, for cases where this type of barbaric treatment is popping up among immigrants to civilized nations - the full force of law needs to be applied including expulsion for those that are in support.
We have to establish with 100% certainty that the civilized nations will no longer tolerate this.
Good. That’s a start. No quoting the Q’uran (in translation and out of context and who the hell really thinks we shall not suffer a witch to live around here, the tattoo shops would all go out of business) to prove Islam is a religion of barbarism.
As was pointed out above, you can’t have a reformation until a society is ready for it. Spurning aid, trade, etc. will empower the most backward elements in a society, and undermine the most forward-thinking. Aid and trade make a modern society, which is the enemy of religious absolutism.
So we’ll enforce our own laws(the way that Bangladesh is doing by prosecuting the imam who ordered this girl whipped). Okay, but “expulsion for those who are in support”? What exactly does that mean? How do we know who is “in support”? It was my understanding that freedom of conscience was the cornerstone of our society. Do we start expelling people for what they believe?
Nitpick - the Bangladesh are investigating, that’s as far as the news story I saw went. Says nothing about prosecuting anyone.
As far as my comment regarding expulsion for those in support - it’s no secret that there are groups and powerful individuals (among the immigrants) that are driving and have been very vocal in regarding establishing sharia law in the west.
If the aid and trade are only empowering those already guilty of endorsing these barbaric actions, then it does no good. Might as well leave them in the dark ages and move on.
Let me get this straight. You want to expel US citizens for advocating Sharia law?
Captain Zombie: Not to be insulting or anything, but I really don’t know who you are or recall your posting history. But if you have a fever, I would definitely go see your doctor. 
I would posit that it’s possible to disagree with someone, fundamentally, and not want them deported. For example, I don’t think the UK ought to deport the Archbishop of Canterbury.
Aid and trade may or may not help the situation, but cutting them off will always empower those people who never wanted to engage with the outside world in the first place. It’s also worth considering that the majority of Scary Muslim stories come from countries where we don’t threaten to cut off trade with them. They threaten to cut off trade with us.
I don’t think I specified US Citizen, but if that were the case we could certainly investigate their citizenship status and take actions accordingly. I would not have an issue in revoking in some cases. For US born citizens, I’d be willing to consider legal actions to quell their support.
Does Halakha get an automatic pass?
CMC fnord!
Can’t say as I’ve heard anyone, or any group, pushing for Halakha laws to be adopted (at least in the US) as they have Sharia.
I assume that would also apply to Christian Reconstructionists, Moonies, white supremacists, black supremacists, eugenicists, fascists, Nazis, Stalinists, Trotskyites, monarchists, anarchists, and people who want to amend the Constitution to deny the free speech rights of people whose politics they disagree with.
How long have you been on the SDMB? Here, “Christian” is synonymous with “closed-minded bigoted home-schooling fundamentalist evangelical speaking-in-tongues Bible-thumper who live, breathe, eat and sleep Jesus”, not with “mainstream Lutherans, Catholics, Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, and UCCers.”
I’m just glad the SDMB hasn’t gone all Democracy Now! with a dominant belief that Jews are all teh eeevil recreational oppressors of Palestinians. Yet.
Nor I, it’s just when I read this,
after reading “OMG the Moooslims want to take over our country” posts on message boards (not only elsewhere but, shockingly, here too) because some American bank wants to offer Shariah compliant loans to it’s customers, I kinda get nervous.
Replacing Western “Common Law” with Sharia law doesn’t sound all that great to me, to say the least. But, if two parties agree to settle a (presumably civil) legal dispute using Halakha or Sharia or any other framework, and that settlement doesn’t violate the basic legal rights of the parties under the Common Law without the parties voluntary agreeing to it (again presumably, within reason (probably on a case by case basis, until a body of caselaw is established) . . . well, I still haven’t seen a reasonable explanation of just why I should be concerned.
CMC fnord!
As MEBuckner suggests, I frankly find your willingness to shit on the first amendment far more of a realistic threat to our way of life than some dude’s fantasy about implementing Sharia law in our country. That dude’s fantasy will never, never, never take place, never ever ever. But you and your ilk might be successful at eroding first amendment protections.
Yes, bring the full force of the law against people in our country who commit violence for whatever reason, absolutely. Bring the full force against people who advocate illegal actions, no problem. But when someone advocates changing the law to something stupid, we uphold our own dignity by simply mocking them, not by changing the law ourselves to something stupid.
And yes, Islam has a repellent death cult hiding in its midst now, stronger in some countries and cultures than in others. The majority of Muslims aren’t members of that death cult, but it’s definitely there, and it’s definitely awful. And there are a lot more Muslims in that evil cult than there are Christians in Westboro Baptist church. And the actions of that death cult should be opposed with great vigor. (FTR, in the nineties, the only people I ever heard complaining about the Taliban were leftists, specifically feminists; pre-9-11 I never once heard a conservative say we should do anything to stop their horror).
But if you can’t distinguish between the good folks who are Muslim and the insane folks who’ve joined the death cult, you’re an idiot.