Most annoying atheist arguments

[Mr.Kobayashi]

Let nobody say that I’m a not an unbiased circlejerker when it comes to matters of the divine. You may well believe in God, gods, some form of spirituality or the transmundane only for an atheist to get up in your grill and rub you up the wrong way. Since there are so many forms of belief I’m generalising most arguments being against a monotheistic God in the Judeo-Christian tradition since that’s what I’m most familiar with.

Dr. Drake in the counterpoint thread makes a very valid point that despite being a theist annoying arguments can still get on his wick and I’m aware that we have a non-believer majority on the boards, like that example don’t think non-belief precludes you from being annoyed at various arguments.

[Czarcasm]

@Mr.Kobayashi

Let nobody say that I’m a not an unbiased circlejerker when it comes to matters of the divine. You may well believe in God, gods, some form of spirituality or the transmundane only for an atheist to get up in your grill and rub you up the wrong way. Since there are so many forms of belief I’m generalising most arguments being against a monotheistic God in the Judeo-Christian tradition since that’s what I’m most familiar with.

Dr. Drake in the counterpoint thread makes a very valid point that despite being a theist annoying arguments can still get on his wick and I’m aware that we have a non-believer majority on the boards, like that example don’t think non-belief precludes you from being annoyed at various arguments.

A link to this counterpoint thread, please?
As far as atheists “Getting up in your grill” goes, it would depend on what the circumstances were, don’t you think? If the topic involves what is meant by this Biblical passage or that, then an atheist popping in to say that it is all bullshit would certainly be out of order. If on the other hand a supernatural claim is made and the only “evidence” is the interpretation of a Biblical verse or two, then an atheist should be able to jump in and question the veracity of the claim.

[Mr.Kobayashi]

@Czarcasm

A link to this counterpoint thread, please?
As far as atheists “Getting up in your grill” goes, it would depend on what the circumstances were, don’t you think? If the topic involves what is meant by this Biblical passage or that, then an atheist popping in to say that it is all bullshit would certainly be out of order. If on the other hand a supernatural claim is made and the only “evidence” is the interpretation of a Biblical verse or two, then an atheist should be able to jump in and question the veracity of the claim.

Bam. As for getting up in your grill, just annoying you with an argument that is completely ineffectual in deconverting you in any discussion of the subject (as in the counterpoint), although ‘militancy’ might well be more of a problem that the argument posited.

[Robert163]

Being more dogmatic or close-minded in non-belief/science as any fundy.
Misquoting/taking out of context the Bible/Koran/other holy text
If God made us, who made God?
That I’ve simply deluded myself or am simple minded.
The problem of evil; God can’t exist because evil does (or variant)
Euthyphro’s dilemma - God could say rape’s fine tomorrow and I’d have to accept it.
The ‘outsider argument’ - that to, say, an alien religion/spirituality is obviously wrong
Argument from locality - that since there more than one religion, they’re all wrong.

are all perfectly good arguments against religion

[Silophant]

@Robert163

Being more dogmatic or close-minded in non-belief/science as any fundy.
Misquoting/taking out of context the Bible/Koran/other holy text
If God made us, who made God?
That I’ve simply deluded myself or am simple minded.
The problem of evil; God can’t exist because evil does (or variant)
Euthyphro’s dilemma - God could say rape’s fine tomorrow and I’d have to accept it.
The ‘outsider argument’ - that to, say, an alien religion/spirituality is obviously wrong
Argument from locality - that since there more than one religion, they’re all wrong.

are all perfectly good arguments against religion

I’d like to change my vote to this being the most annoying.

[Mr.Kobayashi]

@Robert163

Being more dogmatic or close-minded in non-belief/science as any fundy.
Misquoting/taking out of context the Bible/Koran/other holy text
If God made us, who made God?
That I’ve simply deluded myself or am simple minded.
The problem of evil; God can’t exist because evil does (or variant)
Euthyphro’s dilemma - God could say rape’s fine tomorrow and I’d have to accept it.
The ‘outsider argument’ - that to, say, an alien religion/spirituality is obviously wrong
Argument from locality - that since there more than one religion, they’re all wrong.

are all perfectly good arguments against religion

Well, to an atheist they sure might be but a theist might well get sick of hearing one or more of them for whatever reason.

[iMouse]

There are none.

Every one listed is just a germane as a super-being we have never seen.

[Robert163]

@Mr.Kobayashi

Well, to an atheist they sure might be but a theist might well get sick of hearing one or more of them for whatever reason.

well i’m sorry you don’t like hearing them
you’re beliefs are unfounded, speculative and subjective
i’m sure logic and reason are an anathema to you

[Robert163]

@Silophant

I’d like to change my vote to this being the most annoying.

Being more dogmatic or close-minded in non-belief/science as any fundy.
Misquoting/taking out of context the Bible/Koran/other holy text
If God made us, who made God?
That I’ve simply deluded myself or am simple minded.
The problem of evil; God can’t exist because evil does (or variant)
Euthyphro’s dilemma - God could say rape’s fine tomorrow and I’d have to accept it.
The ‘outsider argument’ - that to, say, an alien religion/spirituality is obviously wrong
Argument from locality - that since there more than one religion, they’re all wrong.

perhaps you could just say which one of those are actually invalid objections to religion

[Robert163]

Being more dogmatic or close-minded in non-belief/science as any fundy.

I don’t know anyone who thinks science is completely without fail or inherently true. We just prefer it to astrology, vodoo, faith healing and religion.

[iMouse]

@Robert163

I don’t know anyone who thinks science is completely without fail or inherently true.

We just prefer it to astrology, vodoo, faith healing and religion.

At least voodoo and faith healing might be of some merit, IF you consider that the mind is a powerful resource.

If you believe in voodoo, it can kill you from fear alone.

And who is to say that some ailments cannot be remedied by that same power?

Not me, not just as yet.

[Mr.Kobayashi]

@Robert163

well i’m sorry you don’t like hearing them
you’re beliefs are unfounded, speculative and subjective
i’m sure logic and reason are an anathema to you

I implore you to click on the link to the counterpoint thread - my purpose here is not to say that all atheists are dumbasses, just as in the other one I wasn’t calling all theists dumbasses. Rather it is to see which popular arguments against ones own position on a single topic (the existence of God) is most tiresome (for reason x, y or z - I ain’t no mind reader). For the opponent of the motion it follows that said argument may need to be reassessed if one is trying to use it to seriously change the opponents position.

[Robert163]

@Mr.Kobayashi

I implore you to click on the link to the counterpoint thread - my purpose here is not to say that all atheists are dumbasses, just as in the other one I wasn’t calling all theists dumbasses. Rather it is to see which popular arguments against ones own position on a single topic (the existence of God) is most tiresome (for reason x, y or z - I ain’t no mind reader). For the opponent of the motion it follows that said argument may need to be reassessed if one is trying to use it to seriously change the opponents position.

yes but most of the ones you listed are very good reasons to not believe in god and very very very very good reasons not to believe in any SPECIFIC god.

[Robert163]

@iMouse

At least voodoo and faith healing might be of some merit, IF you consider that the mind is a powerful resource.

a headache maybe. not cancer.

If you believe in voodoo, it can kill you from fear alone.

source? you really are making this claim? i’m not

And who is to say that some ailments cannot be remedied by that same power?

Not me, not just as yet.

a headache maybe, not cancer.

[Mr.Kobayashi]

@Robert163

yes but most of the ones you listed are very good reasons to not believe in god and very very very very good reasons not to believe in any SPECIFIC god.

To you maybe, to a theist not so much. I rattled off the most popular arguments against theism as there will be the most likely to be heard by a theist. There wouldn’t be much point to putting some argument nobody ever uses.

[Robert163]

@Mr.Kobayashi

I implore you to click on the link to the counterpoint thread - my purpose here is not to say that all atheists are dumbasses, just as in the other one I wasn’t calling all theists dumbasses. Rather it is to see which popular arguments against ones own position on a single topic (the existence of God) is most tiresome (for reason x, y or z - I ain’t no mind reader). For the opponent of the motion it follows that said argument may need to be reassessed if one is trying to use it to seriously change the opponents position.

the two lists are in no way comparable besides that people get annoyed. the fact that theists are annoyed by logic and argue from emotion hardly concerns me in terms of censoring what i say or do not say.

[Mr.Kobayashi]

@Robert163

the two lists are in no way comparable besides that people get annoyed. the fact that theists are annoyed by logic and argue from emotion hardly concerns me in terms of censoring what i say or do not say.

Be that as it may, there are at least 3.7 billion theists in the world - that’s counting just Abrahamic faiths. So if you’re trying to convince even a fraction of a fraction of a percent of those that they are fundamentally wrong it behooves one to see how your arguments are received. Of course the points aren’t annoying to you, but a theist could just as well say that all the points in the other thread are perfectly valid and not comparable to atheist points.

[Robert163]

@Mr.Kobayashi

Be that as it may, there are at least 3.7 billion theists in the world - that’s counting just Abrahamic faiths. So if you’re trying to convince even a fraction of a fraction of a percent of those that they are fundamentally wrong it behooves one to see how your arguments are received. Of course the points aren’t annoying to you, but a theist could just as well say that all the points in the other thread are perfectly valid and not comparable to atheist points.

1- actually, i’m waiting for them to die. it’s 2014. if you’re still a fundie now you probably all ways will be.

2- concerning the other list. there is no such thing as “as a theist you might be correct”. the validity of a point is not merited by your desire for it to be true. it just simply is not.

[zweisamkeit]

You’re completely missing the point, Robert163. Also, so far in this thread your posts are great examples of the first poll choice.

[Mr.Kobayashi]

@Robert163

1- actually, i’m waiting for them to die. it’s 2014. if you’re still a fundie now you probably all ways will be.

2- concerning the other list. there is no such thing as “as a theist you might be correct”. the validity of a point is not merited by your desire for it to be true. it just simply is not.

Waiting for them to die, when they are having children every day and passing on their beliefs to them. Well, good luck with that!

Even if you can’t put your imagination in the theist mindset for even a nanosecond, you don’t believe in the old mantra of ‘know thine enemy’? To clear it up I am posting as advocatus dei; not making an equivalent thread smacks of laziness or the idea that as atheists (which I am, so don’t misconstrue me) have something to hide.