My whole premise is asking theist opinions (and like it or not, theists exist, have opinions and even atheists want to hear them); there’s even a prior thread for atheist ones about theist arguments if you need to get that off your chest. We get it, you think atheists should be nasty to theists. Point made, move on.
no, its a contradiction, some passages say OT don’t apply, other passages say that not one letter of the law shall be changed. that is not my biased anti religious hatred. it was a debate that Peter and Paul had after Christs death. well, at least according to the bible that is.
Where does he talk about being nicer?? The OP had a very simple question, which you basically ignored. Which of the many atheist arguments cited do believers find most annoying? He didn’t ask how to be nicer. He didn’t ask which arguments were better arguments in some sense. He didn’t ask which had an element of truth (I am NOT saying any arguments do or don’t). He asks which were the most annoying to believers.
your mistake is assuming their opinion matters
Well as they run most of the friggin’ planet I wouldn’t say it was exactly wise to be so cavalier in dismissing them.
ah! so since my goal is to annoy them as much as possible, you are saying, wait Robert, sit back, see which are the most annoying and then catalouge them for future use. well, mr koybiashi, thanks!
Why is that a problem? It’s plain to see that the sky is not a dome covering a flat Earth, and almost no Christians believe such a thing, but that doesn’t invalidate the entire rest of the book. The Bible isn’t a single monolithic text that stands or falls as a whole - it’s an anthology of works by dozens of writers over more than a thousand years, that employs metaphor, parable, allegory, fable, folklore, history, and several other literary tools to deliver a message. Why must someone who believes in a resurrected savior also necessarily believe that the Earth is flat, and who are you to tell them they must?
(And to go back to the OP, I’m an atheist who finds a lot of the arguments used in the poll to be annoying, because they’re mostly heavy-handed and lacking in nuance.)
i dont even know how to respond to that. the majority is wrong so the best thing to do is to defer to them and be polite?
so how do you get to pick the parts that are true, Resurrection, and the parts that are not?
Where did you get defer from? Since when is knowing the opinions of someone deference to them?
once you know their opinion what is the next step?
I said nothing of the sort (I assume you were referring to me). A simple question which does not apply to you (since it is asking what believers find most annoying, and you are quite clearly not a believer) was asked, which you chose to go off on very long winded tangents about. It was paired with the opposite question in another thread; that would be a good place for you to answer (assuming you could manage to stay on topic).
Does there need to be one? Can’t knowledge be acquired for its own sake? It may surprise you that I wasn’t planning the worldwide atheist uprising against theocratic tyranny when starting this thread but rather just wondering what people thought.
That’s obviously a question the answer to which varies from believer to believer and depends on their understanding of Christianity and what they consider to be most important. There’s a lot more to faith than “EVERY WORD OF THE BIBLE IS TRUE FOREVER” and you’re only doing yourself a disservice and making yourself look ignorant by painting all believers with the same brush.
so now you’re telling me my business, how i should react to a BS list of nonsensical ideas. i’m not preventing any theist from giving their opinion on the list.
oh but its the word of god!!! i’m not putting those words in their mouth. the parts they like, WORD OF GOD, parts they don’t, out of date no longer applies. that is the DEFINITION of hypocrisy.
No, it’s only hypocrisy if you start from the assumption that either the entire Bible is true or the entire Bible is false - which, as we’ve established, is a false dichotomy that even most people who describe themselves as literalists don’t hold to. It is entirely possible and logically consistent to believe that the Bible is the word of God as revealed to His prophets, and to believe that certain parts of it are metaphorical, allegorical, or do not apply strictly under current circumstances.
repeating yourself doesnt make you right, not when you were wrong to begin with.
Even were I to grant the validity of calling it a “BS list of nonsensical ideas”, that still doesn’t change the validity of the question - what do believers find most annoying (of the items in that “BS list of nonsensical ideas” as you put it)?
And before you say “who cares?”, many atheists have believers as good friends (as in my case), just as many Christians have Moslems, Hindus, Sikhs, etc. as friends. So the fact that you don’t care what believers think really doesn’t matter. Others do care. If I were to discuss my atheism with one of my believing friends I would certainly attempt to be civil about it.
Well, I certainly can’t argue with that kind of impeccable logic.