Most people don’t know about this. So how can he be despised? Topic isn’t asking for celebrities you dislike
Hell, I’m Asian and I don’t despise him.
Kim Kardashian
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I don’t think it’s uncommon to separate the art from the artist. My brother was a big metal fan for a while, and he’s often said that while he enjoys (for example) Metallica’s music, he wouldn’t cross the street to say hi to any of them, starting with Lars. And there are plenty of publishing authors who seem to be rather questionable human beings, to the full knowledge of their readers.
BAck to the OP:
Pauly Shore?
Doesn’t seem particularly likeable, but why is he “despised”?
Excuse me, but exactly what “very sleazy things” was he doing? What he was doing was nothing, compared to what other guys do in that sort of place. Believe me, I’ve been there. In fact it was in that sort of place that I met my partner.
Another thing about Paul Reubens and the incident in which he was caught masturbating in a porn theater. Around the same time, Wilt Chamberlain wrote a book in which he claimed to have bedded 20,000 women over his lifetime. Someone pointed out the irony that Wilt Chamberlain was praised (or at least not very widely criticized) for massive promiscuity, while Paul Reubens got lots of criticism (and an arrest and loss of his TV show) for essentially practicing safe sex.
To each his own. But I don’t think it’s that unusual a position to despise somebody for committing hate crimes.
As with many here, Woody Allen tops my list. She was his step daughter. He claims he didn’t have a father and daughter relationship with her. But, the thing is, it’s not just about HIM, and how he viewed the situation. His actions impacted many other people.
He is estranged from ALL of the children they adopted together and his only biological child, Ronan Farrow, to this day.“Happy father’s day — or as they call it in my family, happy brother-in-law’s day.”
There is a reason for this, and it can’t all be swept away to be thrown at Mia Farrow. When your adopted sister becomes your step-mom it gets really creepy, really fast.
Hey, let’s sit around and judge people we don’t know because we’ve seen their image on the movie screen! What a cool game!
And no Twickster, I’m not threadshitting. I’m pointing out how ridiculously disingenuous it is to judge people we don’t know. I still stand by this.
Nah, you’re not threadshitting, you’re just repeatedly popping in to denounce the topic as stupid, that’s all.
And as with many here, for false reasons…apparently.
No, she wasn’t. Allen never adopted Soon-Yi nor did he ever live with her. Both are verifiable facts.
So does she.
I’d be more inclined to agree with you were it not for the fact that for the last 50 years or so, bailing on a spouse or significant other for greener fields or escape from unhappiness has been considered de rigueur regardless of its impact upon the couple’s children. In this regard he did nothing that millions of other people haven’t done as well.
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He is estranged from ALL of the children they adopted together and his only biological child, Ronan Farrow, to this day.“Happy father’s day — or as they call it in my family, happy brother-in-law’s day.”One can only wonder what his relationship with them would have been had Farrow not done everything in her power to portray him in onerous ways and prevent his having a relationship with them. As I illustrated upthread, Mia Farrow is a deeply dishonest and conniving woman, qualities which can only have been made worse by her having become a woman scorned. I’m sure she’s done a fine job of convincing them that he’s one of the worst people ever to walk the earth, but their opinion of him good or bad speaks nothing about the true nature of his character.
Again, she was not his sister by adoption as Allen never adopted her. The kid has clearly been indoctrinated toward Mia’s manipulative portrayal of a family that never existed in reality.
Again:
[ul]
[li]Woody Allen and Mia Farrow were never married.[/li]
[li]Woody Allen and Mia Farrow never lived together.[/li]
[li]Woody Allen and Mia Farrow’s children never lived together.[/li]
[li]Allen never adopted Soon-Yi Previn; therefore…[/li]
[li]Woody Allen did not marry his stepdaugher.[/li]
[li]Woody Allen and Soon-Yi Allen remain married with children of their own some twenty years after their relationship began, which is quite a bit more by far than Mia Farrow has ever been able to say.[/li][/ul]
Look, I’m not saying that every mother’s daughter is rightful fair game for any of the mother’s boyfriends. But shit happens and by all appearances Woody Allen’s relationship with Mia Farrow had run its course and he and Soon-Yi fell in love, got married and had a family. My main reason for defending Woody Allen against these sorts of allegations is because so many people believe so many things about him and his relationship with Mia Farrow and Soon-Yi Previn that simply aren’t true. If you want to criticize him for falling in love with his girlfriend’s wife and for the harmful effect upon the girlfriend’s other children, that’s fine with me. You’re entitled to your opinion, as we all are. But we are supposed to be fighting ignorance here and the fact is that most of what most people seem to believe about Woody Allen with regard to Soon-Yi and Mia is factually wrong, and if they’re going to excoriate him for his relationship with Soon-Yi, in my opinion it should be for factual reasons and not for what they’ve been misled into believing by a vindictive, manipulative woman scorned and her sympathizers in the news and entertainment media.
But…Soon Yi was Ronan’s sister. My comment that you’re replying to is directly referencing how Ronan would have seen the situation: his sister now his step-mom. It does not matter to him if his father didn’t see his sister as a daughter. He saw her as a sister who then married his own father.
I get how Allen viewed the situation, I get it. But there were other people inolved. shrug
She IS his sister. They have the same mother. His father married his older sister, regardless of whether Woody considered her his stepdaughter or not. I have the sense that Woody Allen doesn’t consider much beyond his own navel.
I find it utterly hilarious that someone is seriously contending that Ronan Farrow – a former child prodigy who graduated from college and was accepted to Yale Law School at age 15, who is near universally regarded by those who know him as the kind of genius that comes along perhaps once a generation – is too swayed by his mommy to make his own decisions about his father’s reprehensible actions.
Okay. So Woody Allen fucking his three children’s sister (they all had the same legal mother) isn’t creepy. So WHY didn’t he go to Mia and Andre Previn and tell them he was screwing their daughter? You don’t find his hiding his sexual affair with a 17 year old creepy??? If I were a parent and this happened, I would be totally outraged.
Woody & Mia were together for ten years before Woody started screwing Soon-Yi. How can you say he didn’t meet her till she was 18? That doesn’t even make any sense.
Remember, it was Woody who brought this whole sordid affair to light when he sued Mia for custody, trying to convince everyone she was an “unfit mother.” He had NO regard for how his affair with Soon-Yi would affect this three children and her other brothers and sisters. The court really lit into him for claiming that relationships between biological and adopted siblings were somehow “different.”
Woody Allen lost visitation with his children and had to pay Mia’s court fees. He lost the appeal. And he has totally cut Soon-Yi off from her family and I believe brainwashed her.
And as was pointed out above, Mia seem to raise the prodigy Ronan Farrow very well.
She’s is his adoptive sister and Mia is her adoptive mother, and while it’s all well and good - and in fact desirable - for adopted children to be treated identically to biological children, the fact is that step and adoptive relatives do not technically, and should not morally, be considered identical in terms of romantic relationships should one develop. I’ve heard it argued in reasonable terms on this very board that given today’s technological and medical abilities to prevent birth defects that the time has come for even sexual relationships between blood relatives to no longer carry the stigma it always has. So while you may choose to consider Soon-Yi to be his sister and Mia to be his mother in an identical way to genetic relationships, the fact is that no blood relationship exists between Ronan and Soon-Yi nor between Soon-Yi and Mia, and therefore the age old taboo against incest is not really applicable. Besides, Soon-Yi is approximately fifteen years older than Ronan and I doubt very much that they were all that close as siblings that Ronan should be traumatized at four or five years of age because his adult adoptive sister married his biological father. In fact the notion is arguable and speaks to the very brainwashing I spoke of earlier where his current view of his father was likely shaped by his bitter and vindictive mother.
I have a different sense entirely. Allen has maintained friendly relationships with past paramours and is known for treating his actors and actresses considerately and with respect. And if you can bring yourself to watch the documentary I mentioned earlier you’d find that Allen is quite sensitive and prone to put the interests of others before his own, even at some considerable discomfort to himself.
And I find it utterly hilarious that you seem to think that a person’s intelligence inoculates him from the influence of his mother and her circle even from the age of four or five. Besides, I’ve long had the theory that most people function on two levels - intellectually and emotionally - and that very often the one has very little influence on the other, and therefore I suspect that Ronan’s apparent feelings for his father are based more upon emotion than intellect.
He developed a romantic and sexual relationship with his children’s adoptive and much older sister, yes.
Oh, I don’t know…probably for the same reason almost no one goes to the parents of a person they’re having a sexual relationship to tell them about it. Plus the relationship with Mia hadn’t come to an end yet. Plus he undoubtedly knew that she wouldn’t take it well, which is understandable. In other words, I doubt his innate knowledge of the “creepiness” of the affair had anything to do with his not blurting out his affair with Soon-Yi from the rooftops.
No, I don’t. In most cases I would find it ill advised, and had Woody Allen come to me and asked if I thought it was a good idea I’d probably have said no. But I’ve never been one to care about age differences in relationships as long as both partners are aware and accepting of the difficulties that might arise because of them. Plus over the course of my life I’ve known of several relationships where the age difference was twenty-five years or more and those relationships were more durable and loving than most of the relationships I’d known of between couples of similar ages.
Plus I don’t think of 17-year-olds as children. My own mother married at 17 and married again to my father at 18, and was the same age when I was born. No one then thought a thing about it. As I said before, this nonsense of regarding anyone under their 18th birthday as innocent babes in the woods is a recent phenomenon, and I think an utterly silly and ridiculous one. Therefore I’m more inclined to think that as long as neither party were taking undue advantage of the other based upon that age difference, I have no objection to it at all.
Besides, it’s been my experience that older men treat younger women better than younger men tend to do. They are often less jealous and more forgiving of their partner’s mistakes and errors in judgement than are younger men. They are often much more stable financially and therefore money problems aren’t as likely to be a problem in the relationship, etc. Therefore…
I’m sure most would. But that doesn’t mean you’re right.
I acknowledged already that what I’d read in that regard was in error. Do you even read my responses for comprehension or do you, as I suspect, just skim them for points you want to contest?
Funny, I could have sworn Mia brought it to light when she went ballistic over the affair and chose to isolate Allen from his children, therefore necessitating the lawsuit from Allen, which speaks highly in my opinion of his love for his children given that he was willing to suffer the publicity slings and arrows he undoubtedly knew he’d be in for plus the financial hit that suing Mia for custody would require.
This country is absolutely awash in relationships that formed or ended with no regard for their effect upon the children involved. Usually the excuse is that children are better off not growing up with two people who don’t get along. This problem is one of the reasons it used to be considered desirable for people to get to know each other well before they hopped into the sack and started having children. But that was, like, uptight and puritanical, man, so here we are today with huge numbers of kids growing up without benefit of their natural parents, and having no say in the matter themselves. Looks to me like Woody was just keeping up with the times, man.
The court is welcome to its opinion as well.
Do you have any evidence to base that belief on? I can present at least two pieces of evidence which show that Soon-Yi is in fact the dominant one in their relationship and that Woody largely plays the role of conciliator.
Yes, it’s pretty clear that to Mia motherhood is her defining role in life and I imagine that she’s pretty good at it. But to me Ronan’s little crack about it being brother-in-law’s day indicates a fair amount of immaturity and an attitude toward Allen that could not help but to have been fashioned by Mia as at four or five years of age he would scarcely have known what was going on, much less capable of making value judgements about it.
And as long as we’re on the subject I might as well open up another can of worms and question whether Ronan himself is in fact Woody Allen’s biological son. If so, the genes are very deeply hidden. (Don’t forget Mia’s propensity for seeking out geniuses to sire her children. To me it’s quite within the realm of possibility that someone else is actually Ronan’s father.)
Did Mia Farrow shoot your dog or something?
No, people just believe a shit ton of erroneous stuff about Woody Allen as it pertains to Mia Farrow, Soon-Yi, and the rest of their family, and, being a fan of his and believing him to be the victim of a huge misinformation campaign, I like to try to do my part to keep the record straight.
Thanks for doing this, I appreciate you taking the effort. I’d have done it myself but I really can’t be bothered getting into arguments with people who get their information from celebrity gossip magazines.
Well, he forgot how to be funny, so there’s that.
ETA: …or what Alessan said in post 26 