MTV needs to be bitch slapped

The BBQ Pit
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Okay, so today I was flipping through the channels and found myself watching MTV, as I sometimes do. No, im not one of those trendy youth who just live by MTV and their new age standards, but I do watch the channel from time to time to get a different perspective.

Well, today they were doing this huge deal about acceptance and being an “American.” At first I almost had a heart attack at the site of MTV doing something patriotic and nationalistic. They usually are busy promoting destructive youth. Seeing that peeked my interest so I decided to keep the channel there and actually see what they had to say. The promotion of patriotism pretty much ended with the word “American” but one of the things they did to promote this acceptance of others and rejection of “hate” was to show a movie concerning the Matthew Shepard murder. You know, the Wyoming student beat to death because he was homosexual.

Now, I have no problem with them showing a movie that would denounce violence towards people who are different, or a movie fighting discrimination. Not at all. But what DOES get to me is the little segment about hate crime they had afterwords, and the part of the movie that would show those in opposition to gay rights. Then to top it all off, they did a little political bash at president Bush. Okay so now I rant.

The last time I checked MTV has very little if no credibility as a viable source for learning. Sadly enough thats where youth look to recieve knowledge. Point taken, when they do their little segment concerning hate crimes, they could be a little less liberal and populist and more FRIGGIN REALISTIC. No, you morons, I do not codone crimes of hate or any sort of violence, but telling someone its wrong to feel a certain way makes your entire “oh we’re modern people who accept people for who they are and promote free thought” crusade a load of crap. Andrew Sullivan, a gay rights activist, said “as long as our country is a free country, it will be a hateful country.” He was intelligent enough to recognize that people will always think differently, no matter WHAT you do. The only thing that DOES matter is how people react to those thoughts. So you pequenot MTV bastards, that means that if you want to go on promoting your acceptance that means ACCEPT PEOPLE WHO DONT ACCEPT HOMOSEXUALITY. Thats what pisses me off more. In the movie it showed the anti gay protestors as being the dixiecratic opressors when all they were doing was promoting their beliefs. Did THEY kill shepard? NO. Do THEY promote violence? NO idiot, they don’t. Stop that hypocratic bullshit of “we will not tolerate intolerance” and just let people feel what they want to feel. Kudos for trying to stop violence, but lay off those who are conservative.

So that leads me to my next rant. During their little Hate Crime segment, they did this cut away about George Bush. Basically, they ripped into him for not supporting a new piece of legislation that would expand texas’ hate crime laws, and a new federal hate crime bill. Okay, so maybe you don’t agree with him not expanding hate crime bills, but did you not know that he supported the original bill? ohhh… so MTV wants to be smart and inform the public (impressionable youth) about politics? BE OBJECTIVE YOU RETARDS. The whole part you did about Bush had NOTHING to do with stopping hate crimes or violence in America, but it had everything to do with showcasing what YOU think about America’s president. After all, you can’t legislate against hate, just the violence that occurs from it. I won’t go into my ideas about BUSH, that will be saved for another thread, but regardless, if you show any person who supports or does not support political action, show WHY. If you were going to say how Bush is an icky person for not supporting a hate crime expansion bill, then state his reasoning behind it. Don’t corrupt your ability to influence youth. If you really want to make a difference try playing music that is less violent, portraying lifestyles less outrageous, and maybe with a little conservatism your followers will see that thought cannot be stopped but action, more namely violent action can. Maybe the only solution isnt to rant, but give you a good bitch slapping? so here it is SMACK. Ah, Feels so much better.

(For more information read the article by Andrew Sullivan called “whats so bad about hate?” Or atleast thats what I think its called… Sorry for no URL here, and FYI - Sullivan is gay, and a gay rights activist, but shows the incongruencies within society concerning crimes and action motivated by hate.)

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Sorry, lost you after you posted “MTV” & “standards” in the same breath.

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Pathros_1983,

I’m not posting this to yell at you or to make myself feel morally superior. I’m doing it so that you can understand.

I didn’t read your OP. I got about two paragraphs in, looked to see how long it was, and decided that the rest wasn’t worth reading. Why? Because I have a limited amount of time I can spend on the boards and I read those posters who have shown me through past actions that they’re worth my time. It’s the opportunity cost we all go through while reading this board.

I chose not to read the rest of this thread because you proved to me in your other pit thread that you don’t respect me as a person and my worthiness is based upon whether I’m a horny bastard who just clicks on threads because sex is promised.

All that hard work of yours on what I’m sure may have been a very legitimate bitch has been wasted on me. Maybe I’m not the only one, which is a good reason this thread hasn’t received quite as many views or responses.

You may want to think about that before trying to create another social experiment. Your reputation isn’t forgotten when we move to the next thread. I just wanted to point this out to you so you can understand. And to answer the question that I know is bubbling up and waiting to spill out across the keyboard “yes, this response was worthy of my time even though reading your OP wasn’t.”

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MTV, which filled my teenage years in the early 80s as a cool form of entertainment, has degenerated into an extreme left wing propaganda arm of the Media Lords.

But just check out who runs MTV, and you wont be surprized why.

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I found myself momentarilly banned after I posted the thread about sex. So an immediate apology is in order, because I did not realize how offended people would get when I posted that, even though I expected - as stated in that thread - the possibility of a backlash from dopers. I just didnt realize it on that large a scale.

The most immediate response someone would have would be “Pathros, you fool, why post that if you knew people would get upset?” The answer is that I let me own ideas cloud my better judgement. The post was obviously in bad taste, and as seen with your response, has offended someone. Perhaps in future threads they will make reference to that thread in question as an attack on my validity.

As for the final thing about respecting other dopers, perhaps you should read the rest of this thread. If you or anyone else has followed my posts, you can guess that im very conservative - maybe TOO conservative. In this post I showed in a subtle way that I do not support gay rights. However, I quoted a gay author. Why? Because although I disagree with his lifestyle, I respect his intelligence enough to use some one his words to support my own. You can call that hypocritical or whatever, but it would atleast show that I respect people for who they are, I just don’t agree with them all of the time. That was not so clear in that thread, but I hope you and other dopers can see that I did not mean that as a sign of disrespect. So I apologize for any hurt feelings.

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You have a very valid point in your argument about MTV. News is supposed to be objective and should never ever have a favoured position stressed during it’s airing. MTV lacks that objectivity that is found in truly great news brodcasting. When MTV airs any news it should always be taken with grain of salt, but for the majority of the children in this society it is the only form of news that they know.

I think readers should look past the opinions that you may have in regards to homosexuality. I happen to think there is nothing wrong with it and I have many friends who happen to be of that persuasion. That doesn’t stop me from agreeing with you, all MTV achieves in broadcasts like that is a constant feeding of the hatred that is choking our society. And it is that hatred that often times leads to violence. You cannot ask for acceptance of one group while ridiculing another, acceptance is an all or none type of thing. Hopefully people will understand that, one day.

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Who the fuck is the fucking double post demon?

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Thank you! I thought I was brain damaged!!

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I still think MTV is a really crappy network with almost no real content whatsoever, BUT I’ve noticed they are playing videos much more often now than they did before. And I don’t mean the TRL, 5 videos in 2 hours thing. They are actually doing long blocks of solid music videos. I hope it sticks.

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But aren’t anti gay protesters dixicratic oppressors? Treating gays as subhuman and denying them rights is oppressive and injust. Period.

If “hate is good”, as you argue, then I’m sure your hatred of MTV is a valuble contribution to the rich tapestry of society. And if MTV didn’t exist, how else would you contribute?

Oh yeah. The gay thing. Have fun!

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This brings up an interesting point. Does being tolerent mean that you must tolerate and accept intolerence? My opinion is no. Allowing intolerance means allowing discrimination and hate.

I see it as a case of allowing freedoms until they infringe on other’s freedoms. The intolerant people want to restrict the freedoms of those they don’t like.

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(I can’t do that quote thing effeciently so you can figure out who im responding to…its easy enough, anyways)

People can be intolerant and not infringe on the rights of others. Its a basis of action versus thought. As long as America is free, it will have hate. No debate there. why? Because when you promote free thought you should accept even those thoughts which you may not agree with. That means, if someone finds homosexuality as being wrong, then thats THEIR right. The same goes for someone who is FOR gay rights. Any idea must be accepted. Does that mean those ideas should give way to discrimination? no. Does that mean that we should allow equal gay rights even though we don’t like homosexuality? In the minds of the anti gay rights activists, no.

I know this debate can go in many directions, so I state this with the hope of little or no backlash. (yeah, right) Look, a lot of people who are against gay rights (not necessarily ME) are against it because they find it to be an abomination. They easily equate homosexuality with murder. So, do murderers have much freedom in this country? No. Now im not saying that homosexuals are that level of a person, im just saying that a lot of anti gay rights activists easily equate them as such. Hence to justify their feelings. Perhaps its dixiecratic, but perhaps its just fundamentalist Christianity.

Treating gays as subhuman IS wrong. Thinking that they are subhuman is NOT wrong. As pointed out in my OP, they did not codone the murder of shepard, but they did codemn his lifestyle.

As for hatred being good? I never stated that hate is “good,” just that it cannot be prevented or stopped. Its been decades since the civil rights movement and people still hate blacks. I think that perhaps millions of dollars have been spent to ease race relations and educate people. That has obviously not worked. Should we spend more money? No. Should we codone actions and discrimination towards blacks? No. Should we codemn people who hate blacks? Yes, but thats only if they take that hatred and use it destructively. And for hating MTV and MTV not existing? I agree that there needs to be an opposition in all things, but when you have a power such as MTV that abuses it like they do, then its a rather corrupt power. My point there was that they are corrupt, not that I hate them. (even though I really really get ticked off at them)

Just another point to make here, and that is the common Christian idea of “love thy neighbor.” Many people wonder why people can call themselves christian and have an extreme hatred for gays. The only answer is the idea of “love the sinner, not the sin.” Maybe these people who hate gays, don’t really hate gays, but rather homosexuality. In Sullivans article, he made a comment how his biggest enemys were other gays, and the people that can be the kindest towards him, ironically, were people against gay rights. Fascinating stuff, and comments or response?

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Pathos_1983 said:

Pathos_1983, I’m really not trying to be a spelling/grammar troll, and I hope this post doesn’t activate Gaudere’s Law; I merely point out some things that demonstrate that you have the capacity for inattention to detail, to an extent which can cloud or even obscure your meaning. Also, I am keeping my own counsel with respect to the thrust of your OP.

Please explain, though: WHAT does “pequenot” mean?

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Ouch. I did see the gramatical and spelling mistakes, but then again I didnt revise very well, probably because im in the middle of mid terms and more focused on those than this. I didnt really think it took away from my meaning, though, seeing as they were only minor mistakes, so what is your point? Really.

Pequenot is probably a bad word to use. Its french for “yokel” and I think I spelled THAT wrong too, sheesh.

Real brilliant kaylasdad.

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French, huh? Odd, because I ran it through a couple of dictionary sites, looking for definitions in both English and French, and still couldn’t find it.

Be that as it may, I did fall prey to Gaudere’s Law. Please forgive me for booting your screen name Pathros-1983 (not Pathos_1983*)*. :o

By the way, if you’d like to learn quoting and such-like special effects, try going here. Print out the page, and refer to it at need.

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You know, I was wondering about that. I’ve been seeing more videos on MTV with greater frequency lately. Last night they had a live clip of Nirvana that I figured was a documentary of some kind, but nope, they had actually inserted it into the playlist! Amazing.

Of course, the other videos are inevitably Smooth Criminal/Alien Ant Farm or that Puff Daddy one where’s he’s sitting up on the house, but still. It’s a positive trend.

-Myron

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I think the spelling you were looking for is péquenaud.

If you’re going to pepper your posts with foreign-language words and expressions, it never hurts to italicize them. This makes it clear that you are using real words in someone’s language, and you’re not just typing in tongues. :wink:

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Thinking that they are subhuman is wrong much like thinking gravity doesen’t exist is wrong.

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Nevermind that people who perpetuate and vocalize intolerance against homosexuals are tacitly approving of violence against them. It is, after all, the next step. First you dehumanize a people and then in the minds of some it becomes perfectly acceptable to smash their brains on the pavement.

Oh, and non-objective journalism? No such thing, and there never will be.

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As for sterras comment: how do you propose we STOP people from thinking they are subhuman? We’ve seen before that eduation doesnt always work… so do we codemn those for having those thoughts?

and to andygirl: I agree that there is no such thing as non objective journalism, but there are levels of objectivity, and MTV is on the far end of it.

And as I said before about being able to stop people from feeling a certain way, you cannot. But you CAN stop people from comitting acts of violence