Issue the first : something that needs to be dealt with.
Is zuma actually playing?
I’m not sure, on reflection, that he meant to sign up. If he didn’t, he simply won’t play.
Since Pleo is (by choice) not doing anything to enforce player participation, then if he didn’t intend to sign up, he won’t play and we have a dead weight on our hands.
I’ve verified with Pleo that in order to get a disintegration on a shortstuff (Halflings and Gnomes are the small races in D&D - Dwarves run about 12" - 18" taller than the tallest Gnome) we need to have more than ½ the living players voting for the player to have a chance of a vote. 4 or 5 aren’t going to cut it.
If zuma doesn’t post confirming that he’s actually playing by the time I wake up tomorrow I’ll have to vote for him.
His habit of not posting at the start of the game has struck again. It hurts this game that he’llhave even less on record today than me, a low volume player.
It’s part of his metagame strategy to make it easier for him to play scum up there with the changing strategies. He often gets a pass in this “because he’s BlaM”.
As a whole, it’s antitown meta strategy so I’m trying a meta strategy of my own to make it a bad play. Unless he seriously contributes today, it stays, which is a nice luxury afforded by this setup.
Not that I think sachertorte is any less suspicious, but now that I’ve given it some thought, I think he would be a bad choice. Given that he is an investigator, maybe it would indeed be smarter just to let him confirm as many as possible before either we lynch him, or scum offs him if he is telling the truth. I suppose we will both have to die to confirm our results anyway.
And yes I am aware that this might seem like a last-minute scum effort, and maybe I didn’t think this one through until now. Should I get lynched, at least there will be better voting records that the “lurker votes”.
unvote sachertorte
I can’t help but feel we are handing this lynch to scum. Despite disagreeing with storyteller, I do get a town vibe from him, and aside from sachertorte, I really don’t have anyone pinging me. For now, I’ll leave the lurker votes, but I’ll reconsider tomorrow as it’s getting late.
sachertorte: Don’t take offense that I voted for you, nothing personal, but I really do think there was some sort of angle behind your ideas. This is my second game on this board (I was lynched on day one in the evil dead game), and my fifth(fourth?) game all in all.
One thing about the lurker votes though… Will people who aren’t participating at all be mod-killed? I know there are no subs…
Cookies: I object to the cheerleader thing, I voiced my concerns about sachertorte way before sinjin voted.
Might as well push for the threshold sooner rather than later. We can always unvote later right? It’s not a viable threat until we reach threshold anyway.
vote Blaster Master
vote zuma
FTR, my comments on other players should be noted as well. I’ve stated my view on sinjin. I’m not yet sure about Chucara.
Cookies statements about drama stuck me as odd. But I have a hard time equating odd with scummy. My perception of drama had always been that drama was usually Town v. Town; and exceptions to that must have a scum component by definition. So the statement strikes me as odd. I’d really like an example of high drama being indicative of scum ploys, but none seem forth coming. Again, I see oddness. But I can’t connect the dots between apparent odd behavior and scummyness. Just because someone confuses me doesn’t mean that person is scum.
I had been growing wary of ShadowFacts, since for days he hadn’t put forth a strong stance from which I could gauge genuineness. We tend to think alike as Town so lack of logic on his part would set me off. He knows this. He knows I know this. For the most part of the day I didn’t have anything to work with, until ShadowFacts pointed out that he felt sinjin was “over eager townie” or something to that effect. On this we agree and ShadowFacts stated it before I stated my belief that sinjin is Town. So for now ShadowFacts sits on my probably not Evil list.
Everyone else I pretty much have no opinion on.
On Preview: I agree with Darth Sensitive. I really don’t like the idea of giving Blaster Master a pass because of his meta-strategy. I’ve stated publicly that I think BlaM’s approach to the game is anti-Town. So I’m fine with lynching him for it.
Chucara, the reason I ask is you seem to be clinging to my “behavior” as scummy. You say it is without proof, only that it “seems scummy” to you. To what do you have to compare to? I’m wondering what experience do you have to pattern-match my behavior to scum? I’ve found that in early games here on the SDMB, we were very prone to lynch for being loud or bringing up an unpopular idea. Pretty much everytime, the idea person was Town. (I’m going to say “pretty much” instead of “always” because while I can’t think of an example where lynching the idea person led to lynching scum, that doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened).
Anyway, from my point of view. Chucara seems to be right on track with where we were in games about a year ago. We LOVED lynching the idea guy, and we did it pretty much every time.
I think DarkCookies has misunderstood something I said.
Back in post [post=10846654]213[/post] DarkCookies stated that I asserted that CG players are “more worrisome” than other players. I’m not sure what she meant by “more worrisome.”
If she means that I’ve worried more about how to treat CG players than CE players, she’s entirely correct. If she means that I think CG characters are a greater threat to my winning than Evil characters (any variety of Evil) then she is wrong.
It didn’t take very long at all to work out how to treat CE characters… They’re Evil. Lynch their Evil hides. I can’t win so long as one single Evil character breathes, so they have to die. Their predilection to law or Chaos is irrelevant.
On the other hand, are CG players my allies or my enemies? The answer is “I don’t know.” I’ve been worrying about it precisely because there is no easy guideline.
I can win with CG players, and I’m quite happy to work with an honest CG player for a joint win. I said back in post [post=10840504]174[/post] that I wasn’t going to worry about questions of the ethical axis at this stage of the game. Committing myself to headhunting CG characters before I know (and possibly, before they know) whether they are intending to pursue a CG only win is counterproductive. It would only push them into seeking that win.
I give my word that I won’t attempt to deny the win to any CG player who honestly cooperates with the LG group and divests him- or her-self of any and all magic items at a reasonable time just before the end of the game.
You know that you can trust me to keep my word, because…
You didn’t find the situation around our mutual masonhood and my claiming on both of our behalfs while you were still away from the game, with Idle Thoughts and zuma falsely counter-claiming us to be at all dramatic?
The last time I voted on drama I was SURE somebody was scum. Neither one was. It was embarrassing. For the moment I’m going to vote lurkers, especially since zuma may not know he’s playing and that certainly doesn’t help anybody in the game to have a good time.
Well… I must admit that the games here play a lot differently from the offboard games. I’m adjusting my playing style all the time (to avoid getting lynched early as I have been in the last two games, both being town). I might have focused a bit hard on you out of eagerness as I really did think I had finally found something solid on day one. I still feel you weren’t really representing both sides of the story farily, but then again, I suppose you’d be the most talkative scum I’ve ever seen. If nothing else, your latest posts have dampened my ping of you. I’ll still be watching, but perhaps a bit more objectively instead of looking for reasons to support of initial ping.
Bah… I utterly hate day one. Too much uncertainty, and too much information in this game with the magic items and the conflicting win conditions.
storyteller: Sorry I lashed at you, I take this game way to personally even though I know I shouldn’t. I’ll try to take a breather before posting from now on.
I consider that a completely different situation. We are talking about Day One Drama, not mid-game counter-claim drama. You really think they are the same thing? Counter-claims (especially Mason ones) are a whole different animal because someone has to be scum.
By the way, Blaster Master’s public profile shows activity today (I also checked yesterday and there was activity yesterday too).
zuma’s shows activity yesterday.
They may not think to read this thread, but they should have a PM from Pleonast with their role information.
If one or both show up, I’m not sure I’ll be in a forgiving mood.
For the record, and even if it gets me in trouble:
There are better ways to deal with lurkers, in this particular game, then lynching them. I, for example, can behead (one of) them. This allows us to focus our discussion, and voting, on nonlurkers, which will ultimately generate more data in the midgame than allowing people to get away with lurker votes.
So: if either Blaster Master or zuma has not showed up by the time this Turn is nearing its end, and if I am to hold the Helm of Empathy rather than hand it off, I will behead the nonparticipant. If neither has participated at all, I will behead zuma, as I consider him somewhat less likely to eventually show up and his power(s) less likely to be ultimately valuable to the Town.
Going to be away: Moving all my PCs over to new apartment, internet isn’t set up there yet although my laptop is perfectly capable of leeching off of an unprotected neighbor’s wireless. Naturally I want to avoid doing that (or at least keep it to an appropriate minimum) but just in case… here’s something on record.
vote zuma vote BLAM
As far as the sach versus sinjin drama, I’m leaning toward agreeing with the former, but being that it’s Day One, this kind of stuff doesn’t shock me too much.
Also, just in case story decides to pass me his Helm, I’ll be cooperating and using Accept Item unless I get back in time to say or read otherwise.
Wait… What?
We can kill BOTH of them with a tie (btw, we need to put a singleton on BM to push a tie). Why bother with your night action? Your kill action is much better served killing a confirmed Evil should one, well two, pop up simultaneously.
Don’t do this at the last minute! tdpatriots is busy and may not get the most up-to-date information. I don’t want a repeat of the NAF/Chucara lynch-fuckup (Evil Dead).
My vote is for storyteller to pass the item to someone. tdpatriots, MHaye… someone.
If a lurker MUST die from a stabbing, then it should be Squid who does it (and it should be zuma since BM could end up killing Squid). Storyteller’s kill is public, so we will know when he does it. Squid’s is secret and therefore more beneficial to Evil if Squid is Evil.
