I’m sending Pleonast my action as Accept Item so if I fail to get back it will only result in not covering my own ass as effectively as possible.
A PFK can also counter-claim.
This is degrading to a “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” debate. Until the moment that a counter-claim situation is revealed, it is subjective drama for those witnessing it (without perfect knowledge) to make heads or tails of.
sach -
Fair enough, but even generating a tie between Blam and Zuma doesn’t really help much with my central problem, which is that if we allow this whole thing to degenerate into a simple “lynch-the-person-who-isn’t-posting” thing, then we will generate very little useful voting data for future days. When I go back and read through Day One again, I want to be able to look at who voted for whom and assess their reasons, their potential motivations, and so on: if everyone simply climbs aboard the Lynch Blam and Zuma train, those things will be absent (well, since we’ve already talked about some other things, they won’t be absent, but they’ll be comparatively limited).
I’m willing to put another vote on Blam to force a tie.
Vote BlaM
To recap, I currently have votes on MHaye, zuma, and now BlaM.
MHaye: I’m reading between the lines of your “worrisome” statement in a paranoid fashion. The conclusion I’ve come to is that I can see a potential angle within what you said, and how you said it that boils down to the intent that I paraphrased. It is enough to lay down a Day 1 vote for you, imho.
We are on our own to deal with lurking. It doesn’t have to be a zero tolerance policy, but if we don’t enforce participation, no one else is going to. They can show up and say something and we can move on from there, even if it is a chaotic sprint to find something else at the last minute. If they can’t manage to show up before the last hours of the first Turn, I fail to see how any of us (without perfect knowledge) has enough information to determine which carries more risk in this set up…a last minute Turn 1 vote sprint or killing off non-participating players in Turn 1.
(Bleached vote.)
So basically, you force an interpretation on my words other than the plain language, then vote me for it?
I was also going to point out that we can poof them both at once. In fact, I’d rather do that. If people are going to sign up for games then dammit they should play. It makes me soooo angry when people flake like that.
I vote for preference #1 here.
Aside from your use of the word force, that’s a fair assessment. How can I force myself to do anything? Everyone else is free to agree, disagree, or ignore me.
You are a skilled an well-written player. As scum, I would expect you to be saying things in plain language that have multiple potential implications/motivations.
Semi-false alarm. Internet was stupid easy to set up. Will be around.
storyteller’s concern is a valid one. But I’m not sure if there is anything we can do about it.
We could have a side vote separate from the real vote, and agree to disintegrate a third player.
On one hand, it would generate the necessary death to put everyone on the spot to actually vote for someone other than Blaster Master and zuma.
On the other hand, we would be killing three players! Kind of cool, but I haven’t really thought through the ramifications yet.
If Blaster Master and zuma were not on the table to be killed, I would probably vote for Cookies, with the typical Day One weak reasoning caveat.
As I said earlier, I really shouldn’t equate “odd” with “scum,” but there you go. Something just doesn’t sit right with her statements. But it isn’t anything so concrete that I can point to it and say “Ah ha! Scum!”
Oh, and I fully expect Blaster Master to swoop in tomorrow and vote for zuma with a “Well I know I’m Good” excuse; possibly even last minute. I’ll try to be online at 3PM tomorrow to monitor the tie (if we go with a tie), but I have several meetings tomorrow that keep getting shuffled around.
NETA, or rather, we probably should agree on what to do if someone shows up last minute. I’m thinking both need to die period. But if everyone else thinks a last minute showing is okay, well… I guess if I’m outnumbered…
Just noticed on Pleo’s vote count that the votes on Blam are being ignored, but noted at the moment as he is a Halfling and has to have a majority.
Game note:
When I mod I prefer to send confirmation messages when I receive action orders. That’s too much for this game, so you’ll just have to trust me that I got your PM.
I will accept any votes and action PMs that I receive before 12:00 noon PT. The Turn ends at that point, although it might be a little while for me to resolve everything.
I’m not sure it’s a great idea to lynch both of them, actually. First, I think it’s inherently unlikely that two scum (out of probably four) both are completely not posting. I realize that’s meta-gaming, but there it is. Second, this is a small game and we have few mislynches. If we happen to be wrong about both, then we may only have one more mislynch before we get to LYLO (Note: I have not run these numbers, I’m remembering from what someone else posted earlier today).
I’m not inherently opposed to the idea of lynching them both at the same time, but I think we may want to consider the ramifications more carefully before we go there. I need to get my head around it, because I had been planning on shrinking down to one vote this whole time, plus the number-crunching is not really my strong suit.
You’re more than welcome to consider me odd, sachertorte, but voting for me would be a mistake.
Does anyone else in the game with a better memory than I feel inclined to share specifics of the drama I’m talking about? Or do the rest of you not know what I’m talking about either?
I like the idea of using up my kill early and publicly, just so I don’t wind up with everyone giving me the hairy eyeball if someone dies mysteriously in the night. I’m going to unvote zuma, so Blam gets the disintegrate, and I can use up what’s otherwise going to be viewed as an anti-town power.
unvote: zuma
Any particular reason Blam should disintegrate and zuma should get your kill and not vice versa? I only ask because…well…this is Mafia and I’m paranoid and I’d just be a little more comfortable if that decision was made by more people than just you, to be blunt.
Blaster’s a Paladin: he will kill me if my kill on him doesn’t succeed.
I’m not really sure what to make of the lynching two vs lynching one and having Boozy kill tghe other idea. I don’t understand why townie boozy would want to “waste” a kill. On the other hand, I don’t see what scum boozy would gain from it.
I’m pretty happy with the lurker votes for now, non-participation is anti-town.