First off, I want to ‘waste’ a kill because I don’t want to get fingered for any later deaths that may occur.
Secondly, I think that using two disintegrates in one turn is not a great idea. At least with my kill out of the way, it will continue to slow the game down. I’ve found that quickly moving games benefit the scum, and more reasonably paced games give the scum more chances to screw up.
So we decided to not actually try to find scum today, and just lynch lurkers and hope for the best. I got a brilliant new strategy for scum. Post, no one will ever suspect you. Everyone has a power, everyone has a weapon, and we can’t figure out a better way of determining unknowns than death?
Vote Chucara
He seem a bit too eager to vote for the easy candidate.
I know you guys hate it when I tell other people what to do, but I’m going to state my thoughts anyway.
I’m worried about the Staff of Command.
(I’m worried about several items, but this post is about the Staff of Command)
One way we can mitigate the yuckiness that is the Staff of Command is to have one or two people watching Chucara and me. I think Chucara and I are the most likely targets of the Staff of Command (if it is in Evil hands) since it could be used to mess up our investigations. The Staff is a magic action, while watching is a physical action, so that should end up being clean. The other worry is that if Evil Physically attack us, then distinguishing between watchers and attacker will be obscured. So if Evil takes a whack at us with the Axe or Sword of Dancing, more watchers give the killer more cover.
Thus, I think we need a small number (maybe even just one) to watch me and Chucara to make sure there isn’t any funny business.
- Also I think the STAFF is a good reason to revert back to disintegrating Blaster Master and zuma. If Squid publicly announces intent to backstab, that opens the possibility of Evil redirecting Squid to kill someone Good, or gives cover to an Evil Squid just backstabbing someone else. Bad times.
By the way, for those of you so insistent that my pushing for a mass claim was bad. This is exactly why I think a mass claim is good. We have to plan based on the existence of every item rather than the subset that actually exists. Sure, scum can lie, but lies can be caught. Putting scum at risk of getting caught in a lie is a good thing. And paring down the item list makes planning easier.
A quick look at the roles and I think Magic-user, Monk and Bard are our best Watchers for this Turn. Assassin too, maybe. Maybe Druid too, though that is debatable.
Exclusions:
Paladin, might want to investigate instead.
Our Fighter and Illusionist are passing an item.
Our Ranger will be dead.
Thief: we can’t distinguish between watching and stealing, which makes me irrationally nervous.
This is going to be a “fast game”, remember? It is also a brand spanking new ruleset, with all sorts of new questions and mistakes and re-clarifying of rules. Considering that it has taken most of us multiple games…games…to really get comfortable with shifts in our rules paradigm, their lack of participation is depriving us of critical data.
If you’re not here you can’t:
[ul]
[li]claim alignments[/li][li]claim/counterclaim an item[/li][li]offer your point of view on anything[/li][li]demonstrate that you’re capable of communicating with this particular group of players effectively[/li][/ul]
Under this game’s conditions, they are dead weight.
As I do have a protective ability, I will not be publishing my actions this Turn.
I don’t know if Squid will check the board before the deadline. My plan is to keep zuma, one vote below Blaster Master, so that if Squid shows up, he can vote for zuma and cancel the stabbing (if he so chooses).
oog stuff
Sorry; time went a little faster than I expected this afternoon. I was distracted advising my fiancee who is planning to DM a session tonight for the first time in many years. She is, understandably, nervous. She’d appreciate good thoughts from those of you who remember her from the other site.
(And if she doesn’t, she can skin me later).
/oog stuff]
I’m not one of those really fond of “lynch the lurker.” I think it’s a mistake. But a vote for someone else now won’t change matters.
I’d rather disintegrate zuma than trust one of them to an ability that (a) isn’t certain (it has an even chance of success) and (b) we have no executive oversight to. How do we know what Boozahol sends to Pleo? We don’t. Not before the death is announced. So I should vote to tie it up.
[color=blue[Vote zuma[/color]
That makes me feel horribly guilty.
I’ll tell you what. I’ll fix the tag shall I?
Well, hello everyone. Nice to see a whole bunch of nifty discussion dissolve into lynch the lurker which is just, saddening. That said, for those wondering if I may be using some sort of meta-strategy? I won’t provide any sort of excuse, since it doesn’t really matter and no one has reason to believe me.
However, I have given consideration to my role and have come to the conclusion that a complete claim is the best way to proceed. Besides that of which you all are aware, me being a gnome Paladin, I am prepared to confess my alignment and item that I possess. So, I am Chaotic Good (which, doesn’t make much sense, but them’s the breaks). I am also in possession of the Amulet of Reflection which, I agree, is likely best not in the hands of the Evil.
That said, as a note, I am willing to give up my item late game, because I will not be playing for an exclusive win. I do, however, intend to hold on to the item for the time being because it is potentially dangerous in the hands of scum, it provides me with some level of protection which I would like, being Chaotic, and because I think my talents are better used either watching or determining state.
I am not happy with the lurker votes so I won’t be following that unless it means saving my life. Beyond that, I’m not quite ready to vote elsewhere yet.
I will however comment that I agree with the idea of nullifying the item in storyteller’s possession. I’m not sure that him passing it along is necessarily productive though. If he’s honest, then the chance of the Evils stealing from him is already reduced, and if he’s lying, well, who knows. Nullifying handles any case, whether he actually has it or is lying scum, and it frees him and whomever he would pass it to to do something more useful like watching.
How nice of you to join us two hours before the deadline. :mad:
I’m not mad at you for posting, I’m mad at you for not playing. As skilled as you are at Mafia and math, we certainly could have used your insights a little earlier in the Turn.
unvote zuma
The problem, Blaster, as I understand it, is that we’re not really sure there even is a Rod of Nullification. If there isn’t, then waiting around for someone to Nullify the Helm isn’t going to do us much good.
As for the rest. Well, I’m pretty opposed to lynch-the-lurker, but it seems like the train has left not only the station but the entire county in that regard. I’m not sure what I’m going to do, but most likely I will vote for zuma between now and the deadline.
sach, can you explain this?
storyteller, are you saying that Blaster Master avoiding the game until less than two hours before deadline absolves him?
Absolves him of what? I am opposed to lynching someone for nonparticipation altogether, but dammit, if we’re going to do it, at least we ought to do it consistently.
I feel that Blaster Master showing up just before deadline is the most anti-Town thing done in the game so far. Regardless of whether he is Good or Evil, I’m not willing to give him a pass for this. In my mind the entire continuum of Mafia games is at stake here. This type of behavior can not be tolerated. Period.
Blaster Master Must Die.
Now that he has shown up, we can’t maintain a tie between Blaster Master and zuma. Blaster Master can too easily vote for zuma and push zuma ahead. By keeping zuma one vote below Blaster Master, we lynch Blaster Master and leave zuma to Squid or something. But I fully expect that if we kept Blaster Master and zuma at a Tie, Blaster Master will survive.
Also, in consideration that I am a Paladin and we also have a second one in Zsofia, I would like to propose a split of investigations from us as well, the only thing is that it would require everyone to claim whether they are Chaotic or not up front. If anyone is caught lying, we lynch them
Lawful Good: No reason to lie.
Chaotic Good: Knowing that you’ll get lynched if you lie, you will want to tell the truth. This forces you to work with the Lawful for our mutual benefit. The only thing you have to do differently is not steal any items from the hoard without first discussing it, and you have to drop an item in the hoard or give it to someone else late in the game.
Lawful Evil: Again, no reason to lie.
Chaotic Evil: You’re stuck in a crappy position. If you lie and get caught, you get lynched an lose. If you’re honest, your scum buddies now know you’re chaotic and know they have to not have any items in your hands which I think could make for some interesting things to observe like perhaps being stronghanded into dropping an item in the hoard or trade items with their fellow scum.
I don’t see a downside to a claim here since the only information that’s really useful to scum is that they would know which people are Chaotic and just Lawful Evil would know which ones need to not have items, but again, they’d also know that the Chaotic Goods are working with the Lawful Goods and will lose their items in some way or another, so there’s no reason to specifically target them. On the plus side, it gives us an opportunity to potentially catch people in a lie, particularly the Chaotic Evil, and it should all but completely remove any fear of a Chaotic Good win in exclusion of the Lawful Good so that we can work together.
What do you all think?
If we could guarantee a tie between Blaster Master and zuma, I’d prefer that. But Blaster Master is now active. He can vote for zuma and avoid the tie.