I just realized how utterly boned we are if the clerics are both scum. Is there anything preventing that in this game?
I don’t see how I can address them more than I did on day one… I thought sachertorte was scummy, and I voted for him. I don’t think I was cheerleader, as I was IMO one of the first to voice my concerns about him.
Nothing was dangerous, but what does it help town that scum now knows that I was unsuccesful? I hadn’t thought about insta-kill magic items, which pretty much ruins my plans. Second, I was hoping scum would push for me to reveal… I can’t surely say they did.
I would also be unvoting Sach because hello, he’s an investigator. Are you paying attention? I was highly suspicious when he had a failed investigation and coupled with the slip was the basis of my vote. When Chucara’s investigation also failed, I had to think, hmmm, maybe that wasn’t a good reason to be suspicious of him. Hawkeyeop also had a slip and is not an investigative role. I think Hawkeye’s slip was much more egregious, and that was the sole basis of my vote on him at the time. He also “wasted” his action (though he says it was a mistake), so I don’t have a compelling reason to unvote him right now. All things are not weighted equally here. You should know that.
Because any information can end up being testable. If you have to put something down then you have to stick by it.
Random thoughts:
I followed sinjin’s reasoning for voting for Cookies. I don’t quite see why someone else is saying her reasons are confusing. Voting for someone for inconsistent actions is rather commonplace. I’ll also note that I’m not one to equate inconsistency with Scum-ness. I’ve made that mistake before. Humans are inconsistent, it has nothing to do with Alignment. Also, I think sinjin is Town.
Cookies, I don’t know about. I completely understood what Cookies was up to, but I didn’t feel the need to chime in. (Sorry if that irked you Cookies.) I thought it was obvious what Cookies was up to. She either protected someone or has an item that she used. On the other hand, Cookies should also know that as Evil, she could have an anti-Town item that she could use. I’m of the opinion that anti-Town item actions are usually physical rather than magical, so I can see the point that Cookies being evasive “looks like” scum avoiding getting caught in a lie. However, Evil would be silly to do this. If Cookies performed a magical action, EvilCookies would simply say she protected someone. No one would be able to discern one magical action from another. If Cookies performed a physical action, EvilCookies would have said she Watched someone, as physical actions can not be discerned from each other.
So Why would an Evil Cookies go through the entire rigamarole that Cookies endured for no reason? Evil could produce an irrefutable lie very easily. So, no, I don’t get the whole Cookies thing either. (And I was suspicious of Cookies on Turn One!)
What else on on the table? There seems to be remarkably little (and I’m just as guilty as every one else for sitting back instead of playing)
Chucara? That I don’t get either. I think I covered the bulk of it on Turn One. (Essentially, we’ve seen Town behave in Chucara’s way before). I still think that is the case, but I don’t know Chucara well enough to really know.
Hockey Monkey. I could vote for Hockey Monkey. ShadowFacts outlines a decent case. I do get the impression of someone who is ‘just there enough’ to not be labeled a lurker.
storyteller. I could vote for storyteller too. He’s been unusually quiet, much more quiet than I’ve come to expect from him. Last time he was so absent he was scum. He was also busy with stuff at the time, which I have no reason to dispute, but I also think that his being busy and his being a scum absent from the game can be coincidence not cause and effect. That is, instead of being absent from the game because he was busy, he could have been absent from the game because he was scum, but happened to be busy at the same time. I know, we’ve already done the lurker thing. But absence by storyteller is unusual. I think he’s had 2 posts this Turn?
Non-lurker reasons for voting for storyteller:
I originally thought that storyteller’s Helm claim was notably pro-Town. But now I’m not so sure. We are always so quick to dismiss and deride “scum would never do that,” but yet we (meaning me) accept storyteller’s action as evidence of his Townness. Why the hell was I doing that?! Claiming the Helm is such an easy action for Scum to make. Actions are far more easy to hold up as evidence than the words used to describe ideas or motivations. We assume that Evil would rather hold onto the Helm than declare it. Are we so sure? Isn’t the goodwill worth it?
This of course isn’t proof that storyteller is Evil. It can’t even be classified as evidence, but it is stuff that had to be said.
Other points of uneasiness include his case against sinjin. The last time I saw storyteller make such a crappy case he was Scum. He voted for sinjin on Turn One because sinjin focused on voting for me and harping on me for my ideas. While I agree with storyteller that my discussion is good, I do not agree that voicing suspicion of me is an indicator of scum. I also think that storyteller knows better than that and would not expect storyteller (at least not a Good storyteller) to scrutinize sinjin the way he has. [Point in storyteller’s favor is that he could have simply done nothing].
Also, his whole exchange with tdpatriots during the final moments of the last Turn struck me as odd. Again odd does not necessarily equate to scum, but what was going on with storyteller. He was threatening to use his Kill power and I still don’t really know why. Anyway, I feel uneasy about storyteller, so I might as well pipe up about it.
Here’s my problem. I’m having a terrible time playing the game because I know everyone’s role. I should be evaluating everything dispassionately, but I find that my ideas and leanings are all contaminated by role. Thoughts like “Well, it doesn’t make sense to disintegrate that role” keep getting in the way.
vote storyteller
vote Hockey Monkey
No. From what I gather, Pleonast is subscribing to the “randomization makes everything balanced” line of thought. Remind me to whack him across the head with a giant YSI two-by-four when we are done.
sach -
I have strep throat. I am reading, but there’s a fever and medication and hazy thought processes, so I’m hereby specifically declining to post substantively for out-of-game reasons, until I am well enough to focus on the game.
Lurking??? Sach, I was 2nd behind you in post count on Turn One, and unfortunately, most of Turn Two was on the weekend. Saying I’m posting just enough to avoid being a lurker is the weakest sh*t I’ve seen.
Zsofia,
Something to consider:
If you aren’t planning on trying to determine Lawful/Chaotic. I suggest you target whoever ends up with anti-Town alignment altering items. tdpatriots is likely going to die, so I don’t know if it makes sense to target him since ordering of events is not so clear (probably not), but if you were to target the Helm holder or Amulet holder, while you won’t get useful information, you will USE UP CHARGES. I think blowing away charges might be a better use of your power than “watching.” I don’t know if you can do this this Turn, but keep it in mind for the future. (If I had known you weren’t interested in alignment snooping, I would have suggested you target storyteller last Turn).
Really? Huh. I’ll need to look over that again.
I have no recollection of what you’ve said. Which could be my fault, or you’re just not saying anything of substance.
Wait, what? You think she should waste her power?
I’m not saying having a doc is useless. But at the end of the game, the most important ability of your role will be your “Winds of Sweeping Items out of Chaos’ hands.”
That being said, a doctor’s target isn’t something that needs to be kept secret. If you’re Good, you should have protected yourself last night. If you had other information, you might have done something different. But where’d you get that information from? The only source I can see would be from a group of scumbuddies.
Okay. I’ll remove the lurker suspicion, but the rest stand.
I would have also preferred an indication of sickyness prior to being called out on being absent, but oh well.
Paranoia note:
What would be the best time to lurk? Immediately following the disintegration of two Town lurkers.
That’s an interesting idea.
Zsofia has declined using her power last Turn. She WATCHED someone. I’m saying if she decides not to use her power again, then maybe burning up the charges on anti-Town items is a better use of her Turn than watching someone again.
Please explain how Hawkeyeop’s alleged slip was “more egregious,” because as I’ve already explained, I don’t see that at all.
PS. Please don’t start with the “you should know that” strawman garbage. It’s lame.
We obviously have differing opinions. :rolleyes:
(please take all :rolleyes: as in game only.) 
I’m misunderstanding something here. Has she said what her magic item is? Her Paladin power doesn’t burn charges.
But there’s no way to know how many charges an item has, we know where few items are, and doing that would take up a lot of actions that could be used doing something better, like, yes, watching people, or watching the Hoard, or when it seems appropriate using my power. Frankly, even if I did root out a bunch of Chaotics, I’d be a little reluctant to post them because I think at this point it only hurts Good to divide itself.
I want her to burn charges on things like the Helm of Empathy.
For example, if tdpatriots wasn’t slated to die this Turn, Zsofia (if she wasn’t planning on investigating someone anyway) could target tdpatriots, even though he has the Helm of empathy and hope that the Helm take effect and uses up one of the charges on the Helm.
It’s not a terrific plan, but it is not a bad plan either. I figure if she isn’t investigating anyway…