Jesus, I can’t finish a post. The incomplete sentence should read:
“I just want it on the record that this is neither evidence that I am Good, nor evidence that I am not.”
I think scum get insulted by lame ass reasons on them more than town do in my experience, but that is pretty anecdotal. I will say I remember having these arguments with you, and you are arguing my side. Now maybe you have changed your mind or adjusted your opinion on changing circumstances, but I remember you saying how we lost Marvel by not appearing townie enough. Changes of rationalle from game to game are a good sign of different alignments. Oh and that last part’s easy. You didn’t think your argument would win.
Do we know the scum can’t curse their own?
Eh. Whatever. I didn’t say that “trying to appear Townie” was a bad idea; I said that the way tdpats is suggesting I’d go about it would have been a terrible plan. Trying to appear Townie is a good idea - it’s the only way to play effectively as Scum. Using elaborate, stretched plans to do it, on the other hand, is sloppy play.
But you know what? I can read the handwriting on the wall as well as anyone. Do what you have to do; as I said, it’s no great loss for the Town, other than the mislynch.
If all townies vote together you have a chance of finding scum. If townies are splilt as much as ours appear to be (leader has what 3?) even if every town votes for a scum, the scum could easily force a lynch of a townie.
Quick storyteller points:
storyteller says he voted for sinjin because he thought someone who is Evil would have voted for me for my “slip.” I think that’s an even worse reason for voting for sinjin than the reason I had attributed to storyteller.
He also twists my words “scrutinize sinjin the way he has” to mean I’m punishing him for scrutinizing sinjin at all. No. That’s not what I mean, and it is not what I said. I said I found the way storyteller scrutinized sinjin makes me think he is scum. Not that he scrutinized, but the artificial feeling I get from his analysis. I think storyteller has a higher standard than what he demonstrated in accusing sinjin. I have only seen storyteller lower his standards when he is scum.
To vote or not to vote, that is the question?
- Who am I kidding? Trying to justify not voting just because I am stuck (again) would pull 10 (±1) players down on my head Tomorrow.
The Lylo problem. The question is, are we there right now?
No.
back in Turn 1, Sach broke down the chances of there being a given number of Evil players; 5 in 36 of five Evil, 26 chances in 36 of four and 5 in 36 of three.
There are thirteen players, and a maximum of five are Evil. However, if TDPats dies from the Curse and comes up Good, then we disintegrate two Good players we are down to 10 players. If there are five Evil players, they win at that point.
We need to play around this by Disintegrating no more than one player this Turn. Ties are a disaster.
Therefore, no matter who I might decide is Evil and vote for, I will prioritise breaking ties with my vote.
That’s an interesting perspective, but I think you are wrong. Does it make sense for scum to do so? If every town votes for scum, then in order for scum to lynch a townie, the scum would need to pile on a townie, thus revealing their identities. Heck, if I could vote in a way such that we end up with a townie dead and all scum voting for that townie, I would totally take that deal.
How exactly would that reveal their idenities? If say Hockey get’s lynched at 4 votes, and all those voters happen to be scum, how would you figure that out? Everyone assumes scum will split their votes up, which means scum rarely get suspected of voting together.
tdpatriots confuses me. During the previous Turn he predicted that he would be Cursed and seemed pretty sure it would happen too. But now that he is Cursed, he agrees with me that the reasons don’t seem to pan out. Huh?
Confusion does not equate to scum-ness, but I am so confused by this that it bothers me.
Hawkeyeop, according to Pleonast’s count, you are currently voting for Chucara and storyteller.Also, Chucara and storyteller are tied.
Do you intend to kill off both storyteller and Chucara?
No I don’t want to lynch both. What is the current count? I can’t view Googe Docs from work.
Turn Two
Starts Friday 20 February, noon PT. Ends Tuesday 24 February, noon PT.
Items in the Hoard:
Rod of Disintegration (unstealable)
Amulet of Reflection
Orb of Healing
Votes as of post 570.
Three Votes
Chucara: storyteller0910 (216), Hawkeyeop (282), Zsofia (506)
storyteller0910: sachertorte (525), tdpatriots12 (552), Hawkeyeop (557)
Two Votes
Hawkeyeop: Hockey Monkey (415), Chucara (498)
ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies: Boozahol Squid, P.I. (461), sinjin (499)
sinjin: storyteller0910 (216), ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (509)
Hockey Monkey: ShadowFacts (482), [ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (508)-(509)], sachertorte (525)
One Vote
Zsofia: Chucara (498)
Boozahol Squid, P.I.: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (508)
Zero Votes
MHaye: [ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (226)-(453)]
Darth Sensitive: [Boozahol Squid, P.I. (207)-(514)]
sachertorte: [Hockey Monkey (415)-(518)]
Thanks.
I think I’d rather wait until the Tdpats situation plays out (If he isn’t dead, I’ll likely be less suspicious of Story), so for now I’ll
unvote Storyteller
I don’t feel real comfortable with 3 votes being enough to lynch though,and we have major risks of ties. Like say someone unvotes Chucara at the last minute.
OK. Let’s try something else:
I will not defend myself further. Mhaye, anyone undecided, please vote for me. A tie would indeed be disastrous, so let’s get me well and truly in the lead. If we’re at lylo, this will lose the game, but chances are, we’re not. I have some dedicated people who’ve decided I need to die, and I’m too sick and too tired to hash this out over the course of the next hour.
So. In about an hour, I’ll be dead, and my alignment (Lawful Good) will be known. At that point, I would ask everyone to re-read the following, this time knowing that I am arguing in good faith.
Let’s review how I came to be on the chopping block. Let’s review it knowing that I am Town, because if you’re reading this after 3:00, you know that now.
- At post #525, sach mentions me in a suspicious light for the first time ever. His stated reasons for finding me suspicious are threefold:
- I’ve been “unusually quiet.”
- My case against sinjin. Sach mis-states my case against her, arguing that I voted for her “because she voiced suspicion of [sach].” Interestingly, he goes on to vote for me because I voiced suspicion of sinjin. Sach didn’t like my reasons for voting for sinjin the same way I didn’t like sinjin’s reasons for voting for sach. Think about that a bit, see if it strikes you the way it strikes me.
- Generalized “oddness,” regarding my exchange with tdpats and my references to my killing ability. Can’t really respond to these; I see nothing odd in the exchange with tdpats and the killing references were more for fun than anything else.
In this post, sach references the whole affair of the Helm of Empathy, and how I passed it to tdpats and that doesn’t mean anything because I could be evil and doing that for Town cred and blah blah blah. The following is a bit of meta-gaming, but: in many previous Forbidden Threads, sach has argued vigorously and at great length that players who do very pro-Town things when they could otherwise do nothing should be regarded as likely pro-Town. He has abandoned that position here, though, which is interesting. And remember, sach explicitly states that the thing with the Helm isn’t evidence of anything, as far as he is concerned.
Time passes.
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At #552, tdpats comes along with a hypothesis that he pulls - with all due respect - neatly and cleanly from his rectum, one backed by literally no evidence. tdpats is almost surely Town, so I don’t know why he does this, but remember: he has no evidence to believe that his working theory on why the Scum did what they did is true.
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Here comes Hawk at #557. He says tdpats’ “case” is credible. What case? There is no case here. Idle speculation on “why the Scum did X” is just that: idle speculation. Hawk knows this. He happily leaps into the “make up random stories with no evidentiary support” pool with tdpats, inventing a brand new reality at post #564. All of this absolutely reeks of Scum seeing an opportunity to get a Town player lynched in a hurry, while sheltering comfortably behind a likely-Town player (“I’m voting this way because tdpats is probably Town, and, uh, his case is credible. Yeah, that’s it; that’s the ticket”).
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sach at #560, and this is interesting:
Please re-read the above, and see if you agree with the following statement: no one is following sach at all, in any sense other than the vote. The arguments used to support tdpats’ and Hawk’s votes for me - arguments based on the fiction that I used the Helm to gain Town cred - are arguments that sachertorte explicitly and directly disavowed as evidence that I am evil. But he does not notice this, nor call it out as bad reasoning even though he himself didn’t like it as evidence of Evil. Why not? I submit it’s because he has the result he wants - people voting for me - and it doesn’t much matter why.
Bit more of sach, to sum up:
I disagree. Care to outline why? Care to acknowledge that you misrepresented my argument in the first place? Nah - you want to encourage the dogpile, which is reasonable, because I think you’re probably Scum.
So there it is - my last testament, as it were. Take it for what it’s worth: I have no extra information, so the foregoing is just my opinion. I think either sachertorte or hawkeyeop is almost certain to be Scum, and possibly both of them - and my mild residual suspicion of Chucara and sinjin remains.
Oh, and a tie would be a bad thing, so:
unvote Chucara
vote Hawkeyeop
vote sachertorte
I’ve never said that. The point I make in forbidden threads is that actions that create controversy or “heat” when the player could have done nothing instead are likely indicators of Townness. This is in no way equal to “doing pro-Town” things.
OK. I’m not going to argue with you, because I think you’re Scum.
When I said that people following me on the storyteller thing being refreshing, I meant usually people ignore me. i.e., its refreshing that people are listening to me about storyteller instead of burying their heads in the sand.
Here comes Hawk at #557. He says tdpats’ “case” is credible. What case? There is no case here. Idle speculation on “why the Scum did X” is just that: idle speculation. Hawk knows this. He happily leaps into the “make up random stories with no evidentiary support” pool with tdpats, inventing a brand new reality at post #564. All of this absolutely reeks of Scum seeing an opportunity to get a Town player lynched in a hurry, while sheltering comfortably behind a likely-Town player (“I’m voting this way because tdpats is probably Town, and, uh, his case is credible. Yeah, that’s it; that’s the ticket”).
I said I found it more credible. Major difference. We don’t have a lot to go on, so the bar isn’t terribly high.
Besides why would a scum be desperate to lynch you. Clearly their are any number of players who scum could easily get lynched. I would tend to doubt that they are all scum. You don’t have an item or, as you say, any special power. You think the scum would bother to make up things to come after you? Your theories are pretty much OMGUS.
Take two
I said I found it more credible. Major difference. We don’t have a lot to go on, so the bar isn’t terribly high.
Besides why would a scum be desperate to lynch you. Clearly their are any number of players who scum could easily get lynched. I would tend to doubt that they are all scum. You don’t have an item or, as you say, any special power. You think the scum would bother to make up things to come after you? Your theories are pretty much OMGUS.
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OK. I’m not going to argue with you, either, because again, I think you’re Scum. In about twenty minutes, folks will be able to judge my arguments for themselves, knowing my alignment. I’m comfortable with that.