Munchkin Mini Mafia

**Sachertorte **was active till the end of the day. He could have switched his investigation back to **Chucara **when it became clear that **storyteller **or **hawkeyeop **were neck and neck to go down. But he did not. He instead stuck with his investigation of Hockey Monkey.

That wasn’t clear until Darth came in at the very end of the day. If Story switched back to Chucara, which I briefly tried to get him to do, Chucara would likely have been lynched.

What exactly is so bad about a multi lynch? Lynches are pro-town. More lynches is good for town. The only issue is that ties are easy to manipulate late in the day, so we would need to be very careful. I do think it is worth considering lynching both Sach and HM. 1 for 1 are good trades for town, though it might be too late in the game for that.

Crap, I didn’t want to cut off part of your quote.

I’m a bit worried about being at lylo and offing two townies. I was thinking of people voting for those other than **Hockey **or sacher. Based on my ‘lizard whisperer’ I am totally down with voting for them both.

vote Hockey Monkey

Pssst. You’ve got a little OMGUS stuck in your…no, other side…yeah, right there…no, no you didn’t get it…a little to the left…my left…

I hate when that happens, so embarrassing. :wink:

Gee. Send Pleonast a PM to switch back to Chucara or stick with Hockey Monkey who I know isn’t going to die?

Each time I changed my choice I changed it because I realized the person I was investigating was slated to DIE. Hockey Monkey was not going to die so I didn’t feel the need to change it, yet again.

DUH.

If the scum want to rig an election, they have a good opportunity without having to delve into doing funny stuff with other players than the main two candidates.

As is I still do think that Cookies is a good lynch target, and her actions toDay haven’t done much to sway me otherwise. THe one thing I think I might look at, with the dearth of hard evidence one way or another on Hockey and sache, is to look at who’s voting for each. While I don’t think that the scum would all dog-pile on the townie, I imagine that most of them would.

No. Absolutely not. Whichever one is Evil (HM or me) is toast. Either this Turn or the next. [I know, theoretically the game could end on this Turn, but I doubt it]. Piling on the Townie is not what Evil will do. Evil will try and make as little footprint as possible. They will go whereever the Town goes. If it looks like Town is going to lynch me, Evil will go with that. If Town is going to lynch HM, Evil will back that too. Evil will go. the way the wind blows.

If Evil does pile on the Townie to win the game this Turn, then there isn’t really anything we can do about that now is there?

Would you rather I not vote at all? That can be arranged. Let’s take a poll…

Who wants to lynch me now?
Who will want to lynch me if I don’t quote some “Golly, gee” posts?
Who will want to lynch me if I do quote some “Golly, gee” posts, but they don’t convince you?
Who will want to lynch me if I vote for both HM and sachertorte?
Who will want to lynch me if I just don’t vote?

I have a certain amount of suspicion from past Turns that can be stoked. I’m not lurking, and speak my mind which makes me open for needling, especially when I have an admittedly weak case. This, I believe, is why I’m garnering heat.

I certainly am not single-handedly loosing this game for Good, despite assertions otherwise.

I don’t think there is such a thing as an “Evil footprint” in this game, certainly not comparable to the more traditional scum footprint.

What, exactly, does this mean? You think that ‘Evil’ players are acting differently than normal ‘scum’ players would? Why?

I’ve not seen another game that had potentially pfk-esque players able to participate on the scum boards. I have no idea what the dynamics are like on the Evil boards, and they could very well be acting just like regular old scum over there, but I don’t think it is safe to assume that is what they’re doing.

What effect should your suggestion have in our scum-hunting? Should we assume that because scum in this game might be less apt to work well together, that we shouldn’t be looking for unified subgroups amongst people?

Right now, it’s just a smudge. And not even a good one, from my point of view. If you can at least show me where you’re coming from, it’d be a huge improvement. Giving us those ‘golly, gee’ posts gives us something more to go on, and shouldn’t be too hard for you either.

That said, you’re not prime material today, and I need to go back and reread HM and sachertorte after my shift tonight and come down on a side.

I’m currently reviewing Storyteller’s self-defence posts at the end of Day 2, in the knowledge that he was in fact Good and therefore not out to deceive us.

Post [post=10868530]555[/post].
Storyteller’s belief that Team Evil would not curse a Cleric is founded on an erroneous assumption; the belief that a Cleric cannot cure themselves. They can in fact do so, as the Cleric power description explicitly notes.

An Evil Cleric could easily claim to be Cursed, then “heal” themselves. This would require Team Evil actually not curse that Day; if we have two claimed Curses, we stand back and watch to see who dies, then Disintegrate the survivor the next Day.

Of course, since TDPats is also dead and known to be Good this loses a lot of it’s force.

Post [post=10868630]559[/post].
This is the big one laying out a case against Sachertorte. The meat of the case is this; that Sach (in [post=]525[/post]) misrepresented the case Storyteller made against sinjin in post [post=10848267]216[/post]. Storyteller’s reasoning for voting sinjin was that she “misrepresented Sachertorte’s arguments.” Sach, however, characterised it as “harping on me for my ideas”, whereas that better describes Storyteller’s case against Chucara. This might be a simple slip, or an intentional obfuscation; if the latter, it could be to protect Chucara or smear sinjin.

Then we come to post [post=10868902]574[/post]. In this, Storyteller begs for death and lays out an interesting argument. Not against Sach, but against Hawkeyeop, for claiming that TDPats case against Storyteller was “credible.” I have to say that I disagree with this; the argument is a stretch. It’s convoluted, and it depends on the Curse killing (which cannot be guaranteed; a Cleric could attempt a Cure, and the Orb of Healing, which was then in the Hoard, provides another 1d2 weakened Curses.)

As I already mentioned, one reason Team Evil might not Curse a Good Cleric is that said Cleric can cure himself. A failure of the Curse will pretty much confirm the investigator in the minds of others, and they’ve had their Kill action nullified. (Of course, they could have foregone Cursing and simply said they’d Cursed their Cleric – but they didn’t).

This leaves me somewhat suspicious of both Hawk and Sach. However, I don’t think it’s really advisable to vote right now, as I haven’t considered the case against Hockey Monkey yet.

One other thing I’ve been thinking about is whether it is strategically viable to Disintegrate both candidates. Yesterday, the optimum action was not to disintegrate two players, to play around the possibility that Team Evil might win if we did so. That’s the primary reason I placed no vote; I was watching for shenanigans forcing a tie and was prepared to break it if necessary.

(Which brings up a point. Darth Sensitive did vote to create a tie, and that means he’ll be under the microscope after HM.)

Today, however, Disintegrating both is a viable strategic ploy if we really cannot decide between them. It reduces the risk of losing this Turn, at the cost of throwing away the chance of improving our position.

I now have to reexamine the posts of HM and Sachertorte before voting.

Can’t say I’m a fan of this idea, because it eliminates the need to choose, and therefore severely limits our information gain from the lynch. Forcing people to choose and state why is better in the long run, IMO. And if we can get it right, better in the short run, too.

It’s not nearly as good as Disintegrating one player and getting an Evil one.

My point is twofold. One, something that was a pro-Scum action last Turn is not automatically pro-Scum this Turn, and two, if we started with a five-person Team Evil then Disintegrating both is a way to avoid the risk of picking the wrong player and losing on the spot.

I should note that if Sachertorte is in fact Evil, then his gambit makes most sense if our taking the bait makes the game end this Turn. If we Disintegrate HM and find her Good, we Disintegrate Sach next Turn, but if the game ends then having an exposed Evil player is meaningless.

Conversely, if there are only four players in Team Evil, then we can survive Disintegrating only one player, unless something weird goes on from Turn actions.

Just a note - sorry I’ve been out for a bit - my boyfriend was running a pretty high fever yesterday. On the good front, he doesn’t have a fever today. On the bad front, we’re getting on a plane and going to Vegas. :frowning: Life is unfair.

I hear you, and what you say makes total sense. Nevertheless, I would rather play for the win than play not to lose. I think lynching both of them is playing not to lose. YMMV.

Well, I essentially voted to disintegrate both of them in my last post. If that is not the way we want to go I would appreciate it if one of you who has not voted for one of them do so before the end of the turn. I will be back on hopefully before the end of the Turn and if the consensus is that we should only choose one I will leave my vote on sachertorte, for the reasons given above, and remove it from Hockey Monkey.

We’ve got about 3 hours to go, and not much going on. As with last Friday, I have a 2:00 (Eastern) meeting and I doubt I will be back in time to make any last minute arguments. My action is already submitted, so that bonehead mistake won’t happen again.

I am leaving my vote on Hockey Monkey. Aside from sinjin, nobody who is voting for sach has presented even a remotely credible case. **sinjin’s **case was thorough and well-documented, but it was adequately explained away by sach himself and, more importantly, by Hawkeyeop, a poster I now trust due to my investigation.

I do not think we should vote for both of them, as I just explained above.