Since they are not only child murderers but murderers of their OWN children/sisters, I’m sure they will be treated with kindness by their fellow inmates. Canadian niceness extends even to its prison population, surely.
What gets my goat is the focus on the other cultures. What does that mean? Why is the lesson to draw from the Shafia murders “oh, those scary other cultures” and not, “violence against women persists throughout Canada”?
What I see in the discussion in this case is a fixation on violence against women as a phenomenon that happens in “other cultures,” which excuses us from considering the extent to which it happpens in “our own.”
What I mean is that there’s something disturbing about how all the discussion of the Shafia case has focused on the fact that they are immigrants, as if non-immigrants never or rarely murder their female family members and immigrants very frequently do. Neither implication is borne out, so I would like to look at the goal that these discussions seek.
WTF matt, this discussion is about cultures in which the concept of honour killings of women is acceptable. That is something that occurs in other cultures, rather than in ours. THAT’S why I’m talking about other cultures. It’s really rather simple.
I am talking specifically about the circumstances that led to the Shafia girls being killed, and part of that has to do with their status as immigrants and the culture they came from.
NOTHING I say on this topic precludes me from discussing other topics, or discussing the aspects of our culture that leads to the killing of women, or from having an opinion on…well…anything…outside of this topic. You want to discuss these other issues, start another thread. But stop pretending that just because we aren’t talking about something else entirely, that means we are totally ok with it.
Sorry, this is a bit of a rant but I am sick and tired of the stupid attitude on these boards of “you said X about Y, therefore you must think Z about W!!!” My opinion on pineapples has fuck all to do with my opinion on high heeled shoes and it’s insane that people constantly come into threads and try and catch people in a lie by applying things they’ve said to totally unrelated ideas.
The thread is about the Shafia murders. We are talking about the Shafia murders. Go elsewhere to talk about the Pickton murders, or the Bernardo murders or the Williams murders or whether or not you like fuzzy slippers.
I don’t think you can discuss this case without bringing the Shafias’ culture into it - their culture was the reason that the father of the girls was outraged by their behaviour, and their culture was the reason that he killed them. That is not to distance ourselves from violence against women in Canadian culture; it’s just moot in this discussion because the culture that caused these murders was Afghani, not Canadian.
Yeah, it is. You might want to take a deep breath before posting in this thread again. I’m not commenting on what you said, just reminding you that we’re in MPSIMS, not the Pit.
Thanks
twickster, MPSIMS moderator
WTF, twickster? Nothing she said was inappropriate for MPSIMS. She wasn’t even toeing the line. So she should be reminded that doing something she hasn’t done could end up being against MPSIMS rules? Oookay, then.
Okay now I’m confused too. What exactly did she do wrong? I don’t see any attacks or foul language. The point made is germane to the discussion.
Not allowed to get passionate about anything?
Why the reminder?
The f-word that rhymes with ‘duck’ should, I think, be considered foul language.
True enough, but it wasn’t directed toward a poster and I thought that was allowed.
Yeah, it was the use of the word “fuck.” Rereading the post, enh, it’s not that bad.
Mod note withdrawn.
twickster, MPSIMS moderator
I agree, and want to point out that the d-word that rhymes with ‘fuck’ should, I think, be considered fowl language.
G-d help the punsters if I become a Mod!
You will feel my feeted jack boots!
No,booted jack feet…
Can I get back to you on this?
perhaps you meant fuzzy slippers, carnivorous plant?
Hmmm…
No, “Hob Nailed Jackboots” is definitely in there somewhere…
If their motive is honor, then perhaps it would be an extra deterrent if such cases, in addition to the usual prison sentencing, were punished with something especial intended to dishonor the guilty. A public display, pillory and rotten tomatoes, parade them naked through town, or whatever.
As I hinted in my previous post, perhaps all we need to do to accomplish your suggestion is to publicize even more the (assumed) prevalence of prison rape, and the likelihood of a child murderer swiftly becoming a frequent “bottom”.
ETA: Please don’t think I have anything against homosexuality…but, from what I’ve heard, being a frequent “bottom” is likely to be a particular source of humiliation for the particular culture discussed in this thread.
What culture. If you are talking Afghan culture, then no, they are not Afghans, they are most likley Tajiks or Uzbeks.