Yes – teenage boys are sometimes passive-aggressive for a multitude of reasons, no matter the sex of their parents.
And when a child with one mother or one father or two dads or a mom and a dad chooses to PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVELY IGNORE Mother’s Day, there may be a reason other than forgetfulness. Duh.
I’m not sure why you think this is news.
Yeah my hunch is that Grotonian & doorhinge have never known a child who was raised by a same sex couple. Not sure if their issue is ignorance or bigotry.
Or and.
So why was Tapu’s son? And the sex of Tapu’s son’s parents are exactly the same as every other human’s parents–one man and one woman. Ivory Tower Denizen, Merriam-Webster’s, and I already established the definition of “parent.” If you’re confused by this, imagine how a 16-year-old must feel.
Given research showing that children of lesbian partners are better adjusted socially and emotionally than the children of straight partners, the reason you’re implying is statistically less likely. Duh.
I’m not confused – by Merriam-Webster (and other dictionaries), tapu and her wife are the boy’s parents. I find it extremely easy to understand, and I was unaware of the possibility of gay parents up to my teens or so (about 20 years ago). Imagine how easy it would be to understand if I was raised, as he is, by gay parents.
As to the cause, I’m not sure, but it’s so incredibly common for teenage boys to be thoughtless and passive-aggressive to their parents that it could be almost anything. I discount the possibility of the gender of the parents because tapu does, and she would know far, far better than anyone else in the thread possibly could.
Really? Children of two lesbians do better than children raised by married, biological parents? I find that impossible to believe. Because its false. I think what you mean is that two lesbians do better than one, incompetent, single, heterosexual mother.
Big deal.
Let’s say you were provided with multiple cites that suggested that gay parents do indeed produce healthier and happier kids than their peers… (like, say, here, here, and here) – would you still find it impossible to believe?
Is it entirely possible that your preconceived notions about the inadequacy and inferiority of gay parents might be false?
Get ready, everyone: Grotonian is about to show that he’s able to see evidence and change his mind, and is not the sort of poster who refuses to admit he’s wrong no matter what. It’s my favorite thing about him.
One finding that might be comforting to you, Grotonian:
So all your efforts to tell these kids that one of their moms isn’t their mom? Sure, you can make them cry when they’re young. But by the time they’re 17, your taunts are water off a duck’s back. You won’t actually cause any permanent harm, just temporarily make life shitty for a kid. So there’s that going for you.
I read as far as, “The study did not directly compare adoptions of gay and straight parents.”
What’d I miss?
Probably the fact that there were multiple studies without such a caveat, and that it’s possible to compare children and parents without looking at whether they are adopted.
But feel free to dismiss actual, good research, if that’s what you want. You wouldn’t want to actually learn something that might challenge your pre-conceived notions, would you?
I took the bait and ended up with some nonsense on the Huffington Post that explicitly stated gays and straights were not compared. Just tell me a little about the study you’re citing. Who performed it, what was the sample size, who were the control and experimental groups? I’ll review any study you like. The Huffington Post is not a study. Direct me to something by Johns Hopkins or at least something credible.
There were three links, and there are many others, easily available via google. There were multiple studies discussed in those three links.
I feel no need to spoon feed you – if you’re interested in challenging yourself, you’ll click the links, read the studies, and look for other studies. If you’re not, you’ll continue to provide excuses.
Just consider the possibility that your pre-conceived notions, and what you’ve probably been taught all your life about gay people, might be as wrong as all those children of racists from early last century – they were taught all their lives that black people really were inferior, really were dangerous, really were less intelligent… isn’t it possible that what you were taught about gay people was wrong too?
Ah ha ha ha. I read them, all 3, and none of them say what you claim they do: that same-sex parents are better than married biological parents. They all say what I predicted they would: two gay parents are better than one incompetent straight parent.
Enough of this hijack. Especially with the “evidence” being offered. If any of you want to start a thread, with evidence, asserting that two gay parents have better outcomes than straight biological ones, I will be there with bells on. (As gay as that sounds.)
No they don’t.
I seriously doubt that you’re genuinely interested in challenging your pre-conceived biases.
Probably pissing into the wind, but in case anyone’s curious, here’s one of the actual studies that found (over multiple decades) that “on the standardized Child Behavior Checklist, the daughters and sons of lesbian mothers were rated significantly higher in social, school/academic, and total competence, and significantly lower in social problems, rule-breaking, aggressive, and externalizing problem behavior than their peers in the normative sample of American youth”.
Who was included in the control group? Children of single parents! Boom! Just like I predicted.
:Grotonian high fives the room!:
Thanks for the links to those studies. I’ve read about that research over the years but never pursued the sources or details.
I’ll have to show that to Kathleen, Asa’s other mother, when I explain to her how she’s really a female stepfather. It’ll lessen the blow. 