My beloved Land Rover gets totalled (probably)- kinda long

First, the disclaimer- we are fine, the toddler was not in the car, and my pregnancy wasn’t compromised.

Now, on to the bitching-

We were en route to the USC/UCLA game on Saturday, in a not-so-nice part of town just off the USC campus. We are heading south on a fast road, coming up on a intersection. This couple in a Honda coming the other way makes a left turn right in front of us, with almost no space between us as we are almost to the crosswalk. My husband has to brake and swerve hard right (like a 45 degree angle) to miss the Honda, he is now facing into the oncoming lanes of the cross-street. He threads our Discovery between a VW bus waiting to turn left, and a telephone pole on the sidewalk. We hit the curb in front of the telephone pole, come back into lanes, and finally land in a parked Jeep Cherokee (which we almost missed). Impact wasn’t too hard, as he was braking the whole time.

Holy shit. This could have been an absolute disaster. I grab my stomache, then call 911. The Honda driver stays instead of taking off, what a miracle, and admits fault immediately. He said that he never looked when he made his turn. He also told this to the police when they finally arrived, and gave us a written, signed statement admitting fault as well. His wife or girlfriend was in the passenger seat, she has three kids.

The pros-

  1. Honda driver stopped and stayed until everything was settled, being sure to admit fault. Wow, and in this town, no less.

  2. My husband most likely saved that woman’s life when he swerved, because our Land Rover’s grill would have impacted her side of the Honda at upper-torso level at a fair rate of speed (over 25-30 mph), either killing or seriously injuring her.

  3. This was all property, no injuries, which is what I know is important, regardless of how much I bitch later.

  4. The VW driver stayed as a witness as well, even though it took forever to get the police there (more on this in a minute).

  5. I never really paid much attention to all the Land Rover hype, but I am now a believer. I am firmly convinced that if we had been in our old Ford Explorer, we would have been upside down and hurt badly. I shudder to think of what could have happened to the baby. A maneuver like that just can’t be done in most SUV/high profile vehicles, and it responded like a champ. The tires never lost traction or contact with the pavement (except for the curb thing) and the center of gravity didn’t shift. That traction control stuff is great. That car saved our lives, no doubt about it.

The cons-

  1. Don’t ever call 911 from a cell phone! The calls (in CA, at least) are routed through CHP, and it rang for over 3 minutes before a machine answered! About 5 minutes total before I got a dispatcher! Good thing nobody was bleeding…

  2. When the cops arrived, about 2 hours and four calls to 911 later, they were very concerned about the damage to “city property.” Yes, our wheels had gouged the curb and messed up the red paint pretty good. Are you fucking kidding me? We missed killing some people, missed a power pole and two street signs, and only eventually hit a parked, unoccupied vehicle, and they took more pictures of that fucking curb than they did of the scene! Do they charge us for that kind of “damage to city property?”

  3. My car is so fucked up! The front is all bashed in (I guess they are supposed to do that, but it looks awful). There aren’t that many Land Rover Discovery II’s imported each year compared with other car brands, so they don’t warehouse a lot of parts and it can take up to three weeks to repair it, if they don’t declare it totalled, and the jury will be out for a few more days. I love this car! I can’t believe how bad it looks!
    I guess the bottom line is, everyone made it and it’s just about the cars. But goddammit, now I have no car, I am dealing with multiple insurance weenies, and I’m still pissed off. It is hard to be mad at the other driver, as he has totally admitted that it was his fault, but he’s still a dipshit for turning left without checking for oncoming traffic!

And we missed the game.

First I want to say that I am really sorry about your accident. I am glad that No one was hurt and that the honda driver stayed to admit fault.

I just wanted to give you a suggestion on the 911 thing. I read somewhere that you should put the local police department on speed dial in your cell phone instead of trying to call 911. That way you can directly contact someone right away, instead of having to wait so long to get in touch with a real person.`

Give your husband a pat on the back, that sounds like a nice bit of driving. I’ve been in the same situation twice (within 6 months of each other - what a jinx), and couldn’t avoid the other vehicle in either situation.

Does your Land Rover have ABS (is that part of traction control?)?

It’s good to hear noone was hurt, especially your baby. I’m also heartened to hear that the other driver fessed up to his bone-headed mistake and stuck around even though his vehicle escaped unscathed.

Good luck dealing with the insurance companies. I wish I was as good a driver as your husband.

Maybe it’s different in different cities but that doesn’t work here in Chicago. I saw a guy break into a car on my street several years back. Rather than call 911 I figured I’d call the local police station which was literally 1 block away (for some reason I happened to have the local station’s number handy). I was absolutely shocked when the person who answered at the station wouldn’t take the call or report or anything. She told me to call 911 instead. I argued with her for 30 seconds or so because I couldn’t believe they wouldn’t do anything without a 911 call. No luck…I called 911 and a cop showed-up about 10 minutes later at which point the thief was long gone. Had the person at the station done no more than turn her head she could have told any of a number of police where to go and they could have walked there in about 2 minutes…driving would take them 30 seconds if that.

I’m pretty sure ABS (Antilock Braking System) is separate from traction control. ABS is close to standard on most cars these days but traction control still tends to be left to higher-end cars (say $25,000+). If EJ (assuming that’s EJsGirl’s husband’s name) was braking the whole way chances are it was the ABS system saving them mostly. Traction control kicks in when applying power helping to prevent the wheels from slipping (say on ice or wet pavement).

That said not all ABS is created equal either (goofing around I’ve managed to lock the brakes on some ABS systems without too much trouble on my part). I don’t know but I would hope a car as nice as that Rover had a better form than a Ford Explorer.

While this is great for you DO NOT EVER DO THAT yourself. I know it’s a shitty thing but in this day and age that’s the breaks. I got a woman who hit my car to write an admission of guilt and my dad, who is an attorney, lectured me long and hard on NEVER doing that myself (although he was gald I got my little letter from her). The quick and dirty of it is you have opened yourself wide to all sorts of civil action against you and now have relatively little defense against it. If you were so inclined you could probably take Mr. Honda to the cleaners (especially with you being pregnant).

You (EJsGirl) seem cool and unlikely to get this guy for anymore than he justly deserves to pay to fix your car but take some friendly advice not to ever return that favor should you be at fault. You can still politely handle a situation and payup if you were in the wrong but you don’t want to strip yourself of a defense up front if the guy you hit turns out to have an ambulance chasing attorney for a friend who’d start drooling at the sight of your Range Rover.

Finally, I’m glad to hear that everyone is ok and unhurt. Your husband sounds as if he deserves a big kudos for his driving skill (sounds like he kept his shit together through all of this…that’s not so easy). As to your car well…I know it sucks and all but I can’t bring myself to cry to about one less SUV on the road :wink: .

My heart was immediately in my mouth worried about your pregnancy. I’m glad you’re okay… but you did go get checked out, right?

Yes Cranky, all is well! TMI, boys, brace yourselves- no bleeding, spotting or fluid loss, no contractions (even Braxton-Hicks), and still plenty of fetal movement. There was no real impact from the lap belt on my abdomen, because I have to wear the belt so low.

Hey Whack, watch the cracks about my suburban assault vehicle! :wink: Besides, if they don’t fix it, I’m getting another one just like it! But seriously, yes the ABS rocks on the Rovers, plus the traction control is on three wheels, whereas the cheaper cars with “traction control” only have it on ONE wheel, which I can’t imagine would be of much help!

Oh darling, you never need to worry about me admitting anything, ever. EJ is an attorney. 'Nuff said. :smiley:

First, I am glad to hear that you are all ok. That is such a scary experience and it is good to know you all came through.

Second, my Disco II and I are saddened by the potential loss of one of the (Land Rover) family. I really appreciate the testimonial, though. It surprised me that so many people I know claimed that there was no real safety difference between the Disco II, the Explorer and the Grand Cherokee. I claimed there was, and with a baby on the way (he is now 16 months old) it made a difference to me. Now I know I made the right choice. I have had mine for about a year and absolutely love it. While it isn’t the way I want to learn about these things, I am heartened to read your story and I can now throw it back in the face of all of those doubters.

Oh my God Thrasybulus, anyone who would say that there is no difference safety-wise between those three vehicles is an idiot, with no idea about their design and performance. One problem is that only about 2000 Disco II’s are imported each year, so the NTSB and others who do highway safety stats won’t have any on Land Rovers (any model).

Next time, take an unbeliever on the test track at any Land Rover dealership. Not only can they stop on a hill going either straight up or straight down, but they can stop on a 35 degree angle (or is it 35%? Can’t remember) without toppling over. It’s a wild ride. I have also taken my Disco II on a Land Rover-led Off Road Event to learn how to safely drive it off road. If you haven’t, I highly recommend it. I am firmly convinced that there is nothing that my car can’t get me out of. Hell, a Disco can drive with a broken axle, for God’s sake!

Ooops, sorry about the commercial, I get carried away!

Don’t worry about the commercial. I never tire of extolling the virtues of my Disco. You are right, the test track is one of the coolest rides around. I have tried to convince friends just to take the ride for a fun thing to do on a weekend.

I have meant to go to an off-road event but haven’t gotten the chance. (Thrasjr has seen to that.)

One minor point though, the ABS and Traction Control systems are actually for all 4 wheels and are actually one larger system. The ABS kicks on to slow a wheel that is spinning because it doesn’t have traction and then that power is transferred.

Did you have the ACE package on the Disco you were driving? I went back and forth on it and finally decided to get it and I can say that I don’t corner fast enough for it to make a difference driving but it makes a HUGE difference when driving in high winds. My Disco handles better in windy conditions than my old Honda Accord did because of ACE. (Sorry, I know you are not fond of Hondas right now.)

Regarding the 911 bit.

My wife is on the Emergency Response Team at work (serious committment, 40 hours of training and 40 more throughout the year) and this is what their instructor told them to do if making a 911 call on a cell phone.

Call 411 and tell them exactly where you are and that you are in an emergency situation. They can connect you to the local fire department, police, ambulance, emergency dispatch, etc.

Ideally, have one person working 911 and one person going the 411 route as either solution can have its own unique confusions.

Believe it or not, we don’t have the ACE package (ACE is “active cornering”, which basically means that you can take a turn at almost any speed and not go over). I remember worrying that we didn’t get it, but there wasn’t
one available at the time. But considering the car’s performance without it, I feel better now!

Oh, and I’m glad that you, the husband, and the baby are all ok.

Well, good news- it looks like one insurance company & the body shop don’t think the car is a total loss! Of course, the goddess only knows how long it will take them to get it fixed. This being a holiday week, they probably won’t even start the process until next week sometime.

At least the insurance company is supposed to get us a “comparable” rental car, so I hope it’s a Rover. After all, what other car compares? :slight_smile:

Lots to be thankful for this week, that’s for sure. I have never been in an injury-free accident until now (I’ve had whiplash, and bruises & soreness before), and I am very grateful.

Sometimes you don’t want these things fixed. Depending on what is wrong it may never be quite right again no matter how much repair it gets. If the repair costs are close to being totaled and if you have an understanding body shop ask to borrow a crowbar or sledgehammer for a few minutes while they go to lunch or something.

You might be driving a new Disco sooner than you could get the old one repaired.

Yeah, I know, and there’s the safety concern with a major repair. Safety is why I’m driving the damn car, after all!

And I did find myself on their website today, “just looking…” Hey, 4.9% financing on 2002’s! But no, that’s ok, gimmee a used one that’s just like mine!

Graham, the world’s best LR salesman, will be in tomorrow, maybe I’ll just go for a quick look…

:smiley:

Glad you’re OK! Land Rovers do indeed kick ass, and the “modern” ones are even damn safe! Of course, a true off roader like a Defender functions fine without wimpy gizmos like ABS, but I see your point: a family car HAS to be safe, and cars like the Discovery are a VERY safe bet in this regard.

Once again: traction control is a systems that regulates power to the wheels in a fashion that provides them with all the power they can put to use without spinning. Especially handy in the dirt, but it didn’t have anything to do with your narrow escape here. The ABS did the trick, and if the car has it, a system like Corner Braking Control may have aided as well.

Coldie, you know I would have a Defender in the garage in a heartbeat if I could, but somehow I don’t see two baby seats in the back!

Oh boy, the preliminary estimate is in, and it’s a doozy!

They are estimating $10,000-15,000 in damage, and that’s before the teardown is finished and before they get the wheels off to check the axles and stuff. I suppose it could go to $20,000. Holy cow. The insurance guy said if it wasn’t a 2000, they would total it.

I have checked out this body shop, and they seem to be very good. They do all of the major Land Rover repairs for this area, and our dealership highly recommends them.

A side note- our new Freelander has been built and is being shipped from Solihull, England, to port for shipping to the US as we speak! We have never purchased a car without seeing it before, nor have we bought in a first model year, yet alone an IPO. But there have been Freelanders in Europe, Aus, NZ, Japan, etc, for years, so we thought we’d try it.

Only now I’m not so sure. After what happened, I worry about a car that is much smaller than my Discovery, and not as much of a “Land Rover”, you know? It doesn’t seem to be what I would buy a Land Rover for. We finally saw one at the dealership a while back, and it is cool, but small and not very stable-looking. Maybe I’m just paranoid now. We may give them the car back when it gets here, I don’t know.

Oh well, I am about to be driving a rental car (Jeep Cherokee, probably) for a fucking month, wish me luck! :slight_smile:

I DO hope you are making damned sure that they doublecheck electricals. The first thing I did with my landy was yank out all the lucas electrics but the speedo- of course that’s not hard to do as I have a 67 109, it has only a handful of electrical components.
I hope for your sake that you are never visited by Lucas Prince of Darkness, but whatever the case, be sure you have some kind of sharp instrument to cut those kids out of their belts in a big damned hurry; improperly repaired Discos tend to develop electrical problems and catch fire.

I am NOT trying to scare you, only inform you so you can be prepared.

And remember, the British drink warm beer because Lucas ALSO makes refrigeration components.

Oh, and congrats on the Freelander! I’m sure you’ll like it.

Rover on!

Billy “if it doesn’t have a tyre on the bonnet I don’t wannet” Rubin

Don’t get me wrong. I LOVE the FreeLander.

But to use a euphemism, its past has been… troubled. It’s not the most reliable car in the world. Hell, I read about a general recall for all models just last week. Can’t find a link, unfortunately.

There was a special on them on Top Gear a few weeks back. You may want to check BBC World for the show, they always run repeats of TG. The general conclusion was: they’re great if they run, but boy, are these cars dodgy sometimes.

I suspect the everchanging ownership of Land Rover over the past years has something to do with it too.