That is to say, the OP now has (if they didn’t already) the contact information for the ASPCA if they should observe more abuse and deem it needful to report their neighbor. I wouldn’t fret and worry that the neighbor will get railroaded by the NYC ASPCA. They will often give people a chance to straighten up, and comply with the law before pressing charges and the like. This is what I have seen on the program. They don’t rush in assuming the person is guilty, they go check things out and more than once they’ve walked away saying “There is no abuse here, no animals are being mistreated.”
Shrug. You have some mission to get me to do something or say something (don’t know what) and are spending all this time blathering about details that have almost nothing to do with the OP. And still jumping to all kinds of conclusions - simply because the OP lives in New York you know for sure that she emailed the “actual” ASPCA? Neither one of us knows where she emailed to unless/until she posts again and says who she talked to. And then, even if she did hit the “actual” ASPCA, they told her that they weren’t the right ones for NYC, so whether or not they have a “well organized, decently funded ASPCA chapter there, and they take animal abuse very seriously. They also, are used to approaching it as “allegations” and not as fact from the outset” (which apparently you picked up from TV since you live in Kansas?) is immaterial.
So, either pay attention and stay on subject, or state what it is that you think I should be saying or doing that is driving all of your nitpicking. You can’t even keep track of the fact that the “actual” ASPCA, that you are so sure the OP talked to, told her that they have no jurisdiction in this case.
Kathy
No, you want to believe that I am mistaken, so you don’t have to admit that you might have been a little hasty in jumping down the OP’s throat. One of my links is the the NYC ASPCA, so if the OP didn’t have that contact info before, THEY DO NOW! :dubious: Yes, I picked up what the NYC ASPCA operates like, clear all the way in the booneydocks of Kansas! How? By watching Animal Precinct, which, actually gives a decent glimpse as to how they operate, from what I have seen of them. Yeah, sometimes they have the “glamorous” stories spotlighted, particularily bad cases of abuse. But they also show investigators going out to look at allegations and walking away saying “I don’t know what the person who called in thought they saw, but there is no abuse here.” They’ve shown things like the officers making the various carraige horses be taken into the stable because it is too hot/cold. They show the officers breaking up dog fighting rings, and traveling pretty far to investigate abuse allegations. (They have a large jurisdiction there.) Also, I remember them making sure a junk yard dog had proper shelter and living conditions. They didn’t take the dog away, they just made the owner comply with the law. Also, if the OP didn’t write the actual ASPCA, I’m betting they were given the actual ASPCA’s contact information by the people they contacted. You are the one who came here to harangue the OP, and who was snorting and saying that many of the posters on this board don’t think logically, but let emotion rule us. You have yet to admit you might possibly be mistaken, or to try to stop being so abrasive, and admit maybe you could be at least a little, teensy tiny bit mistaken in your broad brush sweeps. Are you always like a cheese grater? :dubious:
I didn’t really need an answer. It was more a comment than anything. :dubious:
For the record - and I’m speaking as an active volunteer with the Florida Humane Society - I’ve never heard anyone use “SPCA” as a catchall term for animal control or a private shelter. Animal Control is Animal Control (sometimes Animal Care, viz Palm Beach County ), and it’s the Call Of Last Resort. Shelters are almost always referred to by name or an abbreviation or shortening thereof, e.g. Florida Humane, Tricounty, Peggy Adams, etc.
D
FWIW, I emailed humanel@aspca.org the following message copied directly out of my sent box:
*To Whom It May Concern:
I would like to report that a woman in my apartment building might be abusing her dog. I hear her screaming at him every day and yesterday when I was walking by her apartment to leave the building I heard what I believe to be her hitting or kicking the dog, causing him to yelp and then I heard a thud that sounded like the dog fell or flew backwards onto the floor. Though I have never actually seen her hit him I have seen her pick him up by his leash on more than one occasion. It is only made worse by the fact that she runs a dog sitting business from her home. I am becoming increasingly worried about the care the animals receive and I don’t want any of them to be injured, or worse, die in her care. Her name is [deleted] and she lives in apartment [deleted] at [deleted]. If you have any questions please don’t hesitate to contact me.
[my contact info deleted]*
They responded with the number for the correct agency and the next time I hear anything I will call them and forward this email to them so that they can see that the problem is ongoing.
And yesterday when she was taking her dog outside I was in the courtyard on the phone. She bent down to pick him up and as she reached for him he flinched and laid down on the ground. In my experience dogs don’t generally react that way to people who are kind to them.
Oh for the love of… this is ridiculous. You don’t know what you are talking about in terms of reporting. You may think you do, but you don’t. I don’t care how easy it is to mess with your neighbors. We are not talking about messing with neighbors we don’t like.
Whatever. This is going nowhere and it’s a waste of time. OP- you did the right thing.
Oh, please . . . you don’t have to agree with her, but this is patently ridiculous.
So? What does that have to do with what I said yesterday, the day before, etc?
Oh gosh, my real life experiences with shelters and animal control bow down to your superior TV watching! :rolleyes:
Again, so?
Hey, you find a place where I was wrong and I’ll certainly admit it - I have no delustions of perfection. But, I also do my best to only post about things that I personally have learned/done/experienced, not just stuff I’ve watched on TV. You don’t like what I post you are welcome to ignore it but trying to refute it by using TV for a source is just silly.
Kathy
Perhaps then it is a western US term. Here, anything that isn’t animal control (goverment shelter) is either the humane society (tended to be used in speach) or the SPCA (tended to be used in writing). I am speaking of the general public here, not people that are working in/with shelters or animal control - as in people would call our county animal control shelter and ask if we were the humane society.
Kathy
Can you prove to me, who actually lives in the next city over from you, that I don’t know what I am talking about here? You have experience with this sort of thing in Orange County, that is so different from mine, who has been in dogs for over 40 years? Have you checked how things are done at home there in Newport Beach, in Costa Mesa, Irvine, Santa Ana, etc? Have you had any experience at all with the subject?
It’s quite easy to say I don’t know what I am talking about if you don’t like what I say, but to prove it is something else again.
Kathy
Yes, it is and I have decided it has taken enough of my time so this will be my last post on this board. I weep for the world that would support someone who rushes to mess up other people’s lives simply because they are doing things differently, but it isn’t my job to fix it.
Kathy
I notice curlcoat didn’t address pbbth’s most recent post, and admit that they were mistaken in thinking it wasn’t the ASPCA that was contacted. They didn’t acknowledge all the worry and indignation they expressed that some gung ho animal rights org would sweep in, falsely accuse the poor hapless neighbor of animal abuse, imprison them in Gitmo, and take their firstborn child for good measure (we can never be too careful) was premature to say the least. :rolleyes: (That was hyperbole, for those who cannot spot it.) And now they say they won’t be posting at this board anymore. If you can’t take someone standing up to you, and telling you that your attitude isn’t called for on the internet of all places…well, I’d bet you don’t have such a happy life inside your head, much less out among others, who can be a lot more cruel in person, for a longer time if given reason.
Yes, I do have experience in this area. I have worked with animals shelters in half a dozen OC cities, plus the premier university veterinary shelter medicine program in the state.
And I have been raising and training dogs for decades, most recently in giant breeds (Newfoundlands).
We will have to agree to disagree here.
A civil answer to a surly question. Well done – and for your good works, as well.