No dog in this fight, (heh!) But OgDAMN, Gala. That’s impressive.
Seriously?
Hell yeah. Controlling crocodiles by raising an eyebrow at her kids? Damn impressive.
No, I was just kidding. Just riffing on a previous poster’s post. Actually, it took me more than a full day just to come up with that sarcastic witticism, such as it is.
But it would have been so cool if it were… Another illusion dashed. <sigh>
Slight sidetrack:
What’s so wrong with emotions, anyway? We all have them. Why is logic and so called rationality so highly prized here? Do we all aspire to be Vulcans or something? Ugh.
I don’t know what trumpeting you are referring to.
Yes, generally one can tell when a voice is raised just to be heard as opposed to one raised in anger, but unfortunately not everyone can. All the OP said was that her neighbor “screams” at the dog all the time, whatever that means to her . Even if the neighbor is screaming in anger, that is not necessarily abuse.
She also has never said anything about the actual appearance of the neighbors dog or any of the dogs that are there for daycare, which is far more important in an abuse case than what she thinks she heard thru a door.
But then, I’ve said this all before at least once and it is getting repetitious. If you wish to continue to believe that your definition of abuse is the only one that matters, that is certainly your right but it is not a good thing for the world around you.
Kathy
I try to imagine less emotion that what appears to be in the post, but use of exaggerations like “continual screaming”, and “kicking” to describe a noise thru a door make it difficult. Then when other(s) thought it was a good idea to advertise to “stop the abuse of the daycare dogs” when they weren’t even mentioned in the abuse charge, the whole thing just looked over the top to me.
Then ask someone who is qualified if what is going on is abuse, don’t just report it as an abuse case. People see abuse all over the place these days, and most of the time it is just a case of someone treating a dog/child/elder in a way the onlooker either doesn’t understand or personally doesn’t like. Doesn’t make it abuse by a long shot.
I am not trying to be “classy” I am trying to train dogs. If the action that I am trying to start/stop is going on at a distance, if I wait until I get to the dog they are not going to still be doing/not doing whatever and are not going to understand what I am going on about. Such as when I am running a 100 yard blind and the dog takes a left cast instead of a right one. There are also times I cannot go right to the dogs, such as when I am on the toilet and they start barking - I yell quiet from the bathroom rather than have them continue to bark and probably bother the neighbors. Mothers yell at children, trainers yell at dogs.
Kathy
I hope you are kidding, about all of this not just your mother.
Kathy
In the case of something like abuse, which is a subject that will push emotional buttons, it is important to look at it logically and rationally. Abuse isn’t necessarily just something that makes you uncomfortable but far too many people want to call abuse on anything they don’t like that they see (or in this case, heard). It kind of boils down to just because you don’t like the way your neighbor/friend/ex boyfriend is raising their kids/pets doesn’t mean you have the legal or moral right to charge abuse and turn their life upside down.
Kathy
Mom? Is that you? 
(Actually, I do that solely to irritate my Mother when I am visiting. We’ll be sitting in the kitchen talking and she’ll ask me to go get my Sister or my Dad and I will yell for them right from where I’m sitting. This usually results in “The Mom Look” and a "Must we always be a smart ass? :D) (I only do it once - more than that would change it from smart ass to unbelievably annoying)
The hope is that the people on the other end of the SPCA or Animal Control or whomever are qualified to make that decision. Not some random poster on the internet.
Yep, kidding. See post #103-
Boo. I thought as much, but would it have killed you to keep up the illusion? Now *that’s * entertainment!
Actually, there was a time when that person would have been me, among others at that animal control. But the OP wasn’t going to get an informed opinion on whether there was abuse going on, she was going to report it as fact. There is a big difference, particularly legally.
Kathy
The ASPCA is used to sorting the wheat from the chaff, as twere. They can figure out, and do, if it is just a spiteful neighbor (this isn’t uncommon) or a neighbor who means well but is over-reacting, or a neighbor who has a legitimate concern. That is what they are there for.
It is my understanding that all reports of abuse are indeed allegations, until proven through investigation by the appropriate body (thus becoming a “fact,” I suppose). Even if I was an eyewitness to someone beating their dog on the street, my initial report would be considered an allegation.
“There is a big difference, particularly legally?” My lawyer husband just looked over my shoulder and giggled at that. A report is a report is a report.
Are they? Do we know that there is an ASPCA in the OP’s area or just animal control? In my city - a rather large one - we just have animal control attached to our police force, and staffed by government employees. Some are even afraid of dogs. And all they do is follow the law, such as when my neighbor called them because there was a build up of poop on our lawn while we were gone for a week, and we got a fix-it ticket. How we are responsible for cleaning our lawn of poop left by illegally free roaming dogs, when we aren’t even in the state at the time, I don’t know.
Even worse, the OP’s local animal control/shelter/whatever could be run by the HSUS, tho I don’t know if they have any legal power.
Kathy
Your lawyer husband apparently needs to read closer - a report is a report is a report, but my post stated two different things; that report, or merely calling and asking if such-and-such is abuse. The way it is handled varies widely from area to area, but one thing that would be consistent is the difference between calling and asking - “if I hear someone yelling at their dog all the time, is that abuse” and calling and stating - “my next door neighbor is abusing their dog”.
In most cities, that second call would result in a visit to the scene and if the OP wanted to press charges, the dog would go to the shelter and a court date would be set. Maybe the authorities would investigate, maybe they wouldn’t - depends on funding. Yes, it is just an allegation, but if you go to court and you say you saw this person beating this dog on this street at this time, and maybe the dog showed injuries, even if your story is a complete fabrication how do you suppose the court will rule? The neighbor gets a fine and/or jail time and the dog becomes a ward of the jurisdiction. See how easy it is to mess up your neighbors? In the case of the vagueness of what the OP knows about her neighbor, I really think it is - what? - more moral? to at least wait until she has something a bit stronger than what she thinks she hears.
Kathy
Do you even bother to read the OP’s posts, or do you let your emotions control your hands when you type? :rolleyes: Wow, you sure are thinking, then posting, aren’t you? (These lashes are well deserved, given the attitude you’ve copped here…)
(ETA: Especially you deserve some derision, given the OP mentioned it TWICE, (at least twice) and they live in New York. Hello?! Animal Cops New York?! That team is on the ball, and they are good at sorting out legitimate concerns from over-reactions from what I have seen.)
Oh horrors! Among the many posts on this subject, I failed to remember that the OP mentioned the ASPCA - oh wait, she didn’t. She said SPCA which tends to be a catchall term for animal control or the local private shelter or maybe the actual ASPCA. It appears that you are so upset by the way I post that you are just looking for things to jump on me about. So much so that you completely ignore in that same snip that the OP is hoping that someone will come and take the neighbor’s dog aware and shut down her business, based on something she heard thru a door. No, it’s far more important that I get put in my place, whereever that is, based on the fact you don’t like my attitude. Hmm, that sounds familiar!
Um, OK, if you want to believe everything you see on TV… I’m not sure I’ve seen the program, but my experience with “reality shows” doesn’t leave me with much faith in that sort of reality.
Kathy
In New York City/NYC? That would be the actual ASPCA. (ETA: Given that it was founded there.) And I was mistaken on the name. I mean Animal Precinct. They have a well organized, decently funded ASPCA chapter there, and they take animal abuse very seriously. They also, are used to approaching it as “allegations” and not as fact from the outset.