Some people are disguting -- cross posted from my journal

The BBQ Pit
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They put an “Illegal to Occupy” notice on the house across the street this morning. Which is really sad because I live in a nice neighborhood. No million dollar homes but honest hard working middle class people who take pride in their homes.

I went to let my dog back in and I noticed a cop car, so I put on a hat and went over there. Ask the cops if everything is all right and then the told me the story.

The tenant had been evicted and that why it looked like they were moving yesterday, joy. Well, the cops looked a little green, I looked in the house and OMFG, that was one nasty scene. Apparently this woman had seven dogs (it gets better er worse) and there was dog shit all over the house and the cops said, that wasn’t even the worst, I could go in, they dared me…hell no, I like my shoes(it’s the same floor plan of my house so it was easy to imagine.). They said it was five times worse in the lower level. I mean, it was so fucking disgusting, me, the slob was grossed out. (There was hardly an inch of the living room not covered in dog shit it was stepped on, tracked through areas where the dogs didn’t shit…this lady was only there for two months!)

Well, not only did she leave behind a big screen TV and a buttload of furniture, she also left behind one of her dogs who was obviously abused. He would come to us ladies but would only bark at the men. When he came to me, he laid on the ground (with his tail between his legs, hugged tight to his body) and I pet him and scratched his tummy, he was so happy, he peed on himself. It was so obvious that that woman abused him. He was so timid and so sweet. I wish I could adopt him but he’s a fence jumper.

So all us neighborhood ladies were out there talking with the cops, learning their stories. They said they had never seen such a horrible place and they both work different divisions in the department where they would run into more of this kind of thing. Normally, they said, a rookie would be the one to go “check on the welfare” which was the call and wouldn’t have to walk into a house like this. They were completely disgusted.

Apparently, the owner was over there yesterday and she was hiding down the street. Poor guy, I met him, he came by while the cops where there and the cops got Code Enforcement to come back to the house. I told him if there was anything I could do to help out, to let me know.

Oh and if the lady tries to pick up the dog, we talked the Humane Society officer into pressing charges…if she does try to go get the poor little guy, she will be charged with animal cruelty and animal abandonment. Initially he had said the owner could pick up the dog in five days before it was put up for adoption. My neighbor and I talked him into charging her for this. I mean, if he had seen the house…we told him how bad it was and that’s when he changed his mind.

If you know of anyone in C Springs that wants a dog that needs a little social learning and a lot of love, let me know, I will give you the case number. I would do it but my financial situation doesn’t allow it.

What a crazy morning!

She is definate white trash, oh yes, to live like that and abuse dogs yet keep getting animals? How sad. People like that need to be shot. I am not one for the death penalty but if you bring an an animal into your home, you must respect it, love it and treat it well. Innocent animals being abused. Truly sad. My heart has been hurting all day about it.

The owner is over there right now, he got a huge roll off container (within an hour) and is dumping all the furniture and will soon get to the carpeting. I feel so sorry for him, it’s too bad too because his previous tenants did an excellent job helping him do upgrades and such to the house. I would help out but, egads, that was just disgusting.

I was just stunned, sure made for an interesting morning to say the least.

That fucking bitch!

< I hope I fixed all the typos, if not, apologies >

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Ugh, that IS disgusting. Poor animals.

That poor little guy that peed on himself when you touched him…? That was out of fear and submissiveness. Showing their bellies and pissing is a survival reflex which occurs when they feel threatened. That’s how badly off those dogs were. A well treated dog never feels threatened by humans.

I often wonder if people like this are suffering from some form of mental illness. It’s just incredible, it seems impossible somehow that someone in their right mind would live like that. And to keep getting more animals? It’s as if they are just not on close personal terms with reality.

And there’s a really good reason to never, ever become a landlord. Ya gotta feel sorry for the guy, what a mess.

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Holy crap. That’s so sad. I don’t understand people like that. Dogs can be so sweet and so loving - why would anyone want to hurt them?

Going to give my own pets a hug…

Ava

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something similar happened here(Royal Oak, MI). They found this house where the owner had been keeping Guinea Pigs, 440 of them. They were just running loose throughout the house, living in the walls, cabinets etc. The guy that lived there had a kiddie pool filled with food for them and a tarp to collect the waste. Lets just say the latter implement was not quite up to the job. The cops had to wear hazmat suits to go in there as it the entire place was soaked in urine and feces. They had to tear the whole house down.

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:frowning:

Well, I certainly don’t hope the woman gets shot, because she’s obviously menally ill (Yep, the DSM IV has a diagnosis for this, although it’s name is escaping me.)

I do, however, hope that she is barred from ever having another animal.

Poor puppies. :frowning:

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I just got off the phone with the Humane Society…please put the dog’s “siblings” in your prayers. As it stands, they don’t have a case against her unless the landlord calls them direct and gives them a detailed acount of his interactions with her and the condition of the house, etc…

If he does that, (and I gather he took pictures as did Code Enforcement) then this will surely have a warrant. If she remains in the state, get’s pulled over for speeding, then the bitch goes to city jail till she has her hearing scheduled.

I left him a message to call me so hopefully I can build, within him, a good case for calling them. I mean, he plans on taking her to court for this, completely understandable, so why not add a criminal background to her. In addition, if she ever tries to adopt an animal from one of the local no-kill shelters or through the Humane Society, she will be denied.

I am not big on government but in cases like this, I am all for the law. Putting poor innocent animals in her care would just be horrible. Granted she could pick up an animal anywhere that is not associated with the Humane Society, but at least that’s one less chance for a dog to become a victim to her disgusting life.

I realize she may have a mental illness, but that’s no excuse at all. Cruelty to animals, whether you have all your senses or not is not an excuse. An innocent animal should never be treated in the way these dogs were.

The man I spoke with kinda made me giggle as he told me that he appreciates that I am taking steps to make sure this woman is charged. He sees a lot of this kind of thing where people don’t care and was appreciative of my efforts. I told him, if I weren’t such a wuss I volunteer for them because I think animals get the short end of the stick a lot of the time in so many situations.

Remind your friends and family to spay and neuter your animals please.

Sigh, what a sad day, really. I have had my ups and downs and sure as heck wish I had the financial means to adopt the poor dog. I really would. But I would require a lot, a dog run with a covered top, more dog food, more money for veterinary purposes. I certainly have the time and the heart, just not the financial means.

I think that if he were retrained, with the covered pen, he would realize he doesn’t need to jump the fence, that the human is not to be feared, not just a source of food.

My heart is sad today.

I even got the name of the bitch who did this. She must fear me now…

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Uhh, that’s probably the case here, but not always! My SO has a gorgeous little dog that, when I enter the door, often rolls over for me to scratch his tummy (and wees himself), because he is so excited to see me. (I love dogs. :slight_smile: ) This dog is one of the most well looked after animals I have ever seen. He gets gourmet dog food, walks twice a day, lots of hugs etc. So, yeah…

Anyway, on topic, I hate seeing animals suffer, this situation is horrible. :mad:

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Your SO’s dog is excited to see you, but he or she is still doing it from submissiveness. In your case, it’s in response to a different stimulus but it’s the same instinctive mechanism.

And thankfully, it’s a problem that can usually be solved.
Here’s a short cite about submissive urination, there’s tons of other stuff out there about it.

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I have to agree with Triss.

A dog that rolls over in that fashion is doing it out of complete submissiveness. Dogs are pack animals and usually will respond in kind to the past and how it was treated. And, depsite your outlook on your SO, your SO must have beat him/her into feeling that he or she needs to be submissive in a human’s presense. (sp) ( my damn spelling tonight sucks hard.) I have been around animals all my life and no dog that was treated with respect from puppy, that I have encounted on a personal level, has ever been this submissive.

While I was very strong with my dog in his puppyhood, he does not do this and I consider myself a bitchy tyrant at a times. He is, however very excited to see people like my landlord or my best friend. People he knows, he is very excited to see but has never peed on himself. A dog that was treated well during the puppy years rarely acts like that.

There is no doubt in my mind that this dog has dealt with an abusive owner, and I hate the word owner because it signifies a possesion (another spelling issue.)

I mean shit, you consider the condition of the house, the idea that my nieghbor looked like a white trash poster pinup, while ugly, the fact that her house was in that horrible condition…the facts are up against her and if I can get the landlord to back me up on this, this bitch will serve some jail time, her six other dogs will be taken away from her and she MIGHT learn a lesson. I am pretty convinced that he was abused.

Her house was mearly a place for him to get food, that’s why he stayed but also jumped the fence. He’s a dog not a human, human’s tend to (not always) get away from that which hurts them. This dog was completely submissive and I can’t believe the conditions of the house. That, in itself, shows you the level of this woman’s pysche.

I mean who in their right mind would allow dog shit to be piled up in their home and also to allow it to be tracked through the house? Who?

I am a slob and I admit it but I certainly wouldn’t allow that to happen in my home. It’s much easier to clean up (my dog is 13 years old and has problems with his legs and sometimes can’t “hold it” along with an 8 year old cat with severe kidney problems whom I will have to put down soon…) dried poop. But for fuck’s sake, they obviously walked on the wet shit, tracking it though the house. That was just fucking sick.

I have already told my landlord I need to replace the carpet (besides that the carpet has been here since 1985, he needed to replace it a long time ago, hell he even has duct tape from a chewing Malamute puppy that ripped up the carpet from a room mates dog.)

That, the conditions this woman lived in with her dogs just makes want to puke, two months and it was just horrific. In addition, according to the Humane Society, without a permit, she can’t own more than four dogs.

This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach. A dog should be a part of the family, not a submissive animal that thinks that humans are horrible. In my life, I have had animals and none of them have been so submissive they pee on themselves. I am sorry if other people have animals like this but apparently you went into it with a heavy fist. For that I am sorry, you need to learn to read your animals so they don’t do this. They are members of your family, it’s that simple. If your dog cower and is afraid then you need to rethink how you treat them and treat them better.

Yes, they need to know that you are the leader of their pack but making them think they are less than dogshit, then fuck off. A dog needs boundries but so do human children. Hell I come home and my dog is happy but he doesn’t piss on himself. He responds to hand commands even. I don’t abuse him, he nows not to sniff people’s crotches, he know that jumping on people is unacceptable but he doesn’t cower in my commands. BULLSHIT.

I have raised my dog like my parents did, very much interaction. To what is and what isn’t acceptable.

A cowering dog is a dog that needs help. Damnit.

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BTW, I need to discuss this a little further.

There are dogs that are wimpy ass, well, wimps. I understand that there are certain circumstances where a dog will be overly submissive but they are rare.

Generally, with good training, a dog will not be like the dog in my OP. So, if someone has a dog that is a peeing dog, I apologize but most, yes most, dogs will not act out in the manner of peeing when some stranger or even some who know it will react in that manner.

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Why wasn’t this woman evicted months ago?

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My sister’s dog does the whole submissive urination thing. I know for a fact that silly little ball of fluff has never been hit, heck they’ve never even raised their voices at her (spoiled? Not Roxie!). From what I can tell she’s just wired to do that, who knows why. The poor little pup you met probably does do submissive urination because of how it was treated, and understandably so, where it might not have if it had been raised properly. But I’ve got to stand up for those owners who treat their dogs kindly and their pets still do it.

That said, I hope you can find a hug or two for yourself tonight techchick. Days like this can be horribly draining on the soul.

On preview I see you’ve beaten me to this! Still, best wishes for a brighter tomorrow.

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Snoopy,

The woman moved in the last week in March…she’d only been there, essentially, for two months…I that helps you with the situation.

Trust me when I say the owner is extremelly apologetic to the rest of the neighborhood. I feel really for him as he feels like shit about it, I felt bad enough for him as I reassured him that “shit happens” and not to worry about it. He was shocked when I told him I was also a renter and have been here since August of 1998. I don’t think he’s had a renter that long, he has several rental properties. I told him of the tale of my mom’s rental property, not that far off where a couple or family, left with an apartment in similar grossness…for lack of a better word. They had left it almost as bad with cat shit and pee but with a cat mom and her kittens.

I just don’t understand people. If I fuck something up I do my best to make it right. I told my landlord/friend a new back yard will be done because I saw the drought coming…I have no issue with that and I hate mowing, I hate yard work but…I have told him I will get his back yard (and any indoor damage done by my ill cat #2 fixed as well.)

Sick animals are one thing, blatently letting your animals shit and piss is another. Owning up to the issue is also another thing. I can tell you between my Sam cat who died in 2000 and my current problem cat, Max, I will have to replace the carpet in this house…but I will not leave a landlord in a lurch like that bitch did (including the back yard I let go to to hell.)

It all will be replaced and that’s with my one $. But I make my rent, I work hard now on the front yard so it looks good. But I sure as hell am not going to leave my landlord/friend the bill for those things that I know were my fault or the fault of my sick animals…friendship means a lot more to me than that.

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Hmm. On re-reading my first post in the thread, I see how saying “A well-treated dog never feels threatened by humans” could be misconstrued as a sort of general accusation of abuse against anyone with a submissively urinating dog.

I’m sorry about that, wasn’t my intention and I should be more careful about clarity. Especially when the OP causes me to strike myself on the chin with my knee. :wink: (Hey, no-one likes animal abuse.)

Maybe I should have said “A well-trained or socialized dog never feels threatened by humans”…?

Every situation is different but this behaviour is hardly a sign of a happy, well-balanced dog. It does need to be addressed even if the stimulus is excitement, not abuse. They can’t control it themselves and need our help with it. But we anthropomorphize and infantilize our dogs and cause many of their problems.
To my knowledge, rolling over is the dog’s way of saying: “See? Here’s my soft underbelly, I’m no threat to you.” Submissive, but not as bad as urinating and it’s obviously way more common. It’s a good thing for the dog to know it’s place in the sense that techchick pointed out about pack behaviour.

Pissing is a more serious, more extreme thing. It’s babyish behaviour, the dog’s way of saying “See? I’m just a baby, I’m no threat.” Dirty, juvenile behaviour is far from desirable in any dog (of course).

At best, it indicates poor mental health in an adult dog. Puppies who urinate submissively need us to help them build their confidence. It should not continue into adulthood. Unfortunately, a common response is to yell at puppies for “accidents” or punish them, exacerbating the problem. People just don’t realize what’s really going on with submissive urination, a little education there goes a long way.

At worst, I’d say it’s a pretty good indicator of abuse.

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Triss,

The funny thing is, you talk about my neigobor’s dog in such a way where I reallly want to bring him home.

I can’t afford it but damn I am wanting to bring him to my home even more. I need the money and the recources to know he will live a good life but I don’t think I can do that.

It’s not your fault but I am even more sad now that I can’t bring him in my house…

God I hate money, with money would secure him a good future with me but damnit I can’t afford it. Now I am just incredbily sad becase I really can’t make a difference in his life unless I can get the woman to esure she would reliquish him to me, that the state wont give him back, etc…but the financial issue is the hardest part becase I want to know that my animals are well taken care of.

FUCK, I want to go get that dog and if anyone is willing to donate funds for it, I am not against it. I will pay you back at some point.

Sorry but I can’t get this dog off my mind, I want to show him there is more to life than beating and the like. I want him to see that living in a house that doesn’t have shit all over the place is cool. I want him to see love. I want him to see that he is more than okay to hang out in the back yard.

I just want to show a dog that life doesn’t mean hell, that he can live in a house and be loved. That he can experience a good life, that’s not too much to ask but for my $ right now, God this sucks.

FUCK.

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hello? I was really behind you on this argument until that comment. You know absolutely nothing about the dog, the people involved, and you have passed judgement on this person as a dogbeater? kinda funny that in the beginning of this thread you didn’t know why the dog you were trying to comfort was peeing itself, and now you are the new authority on this type of behaviour.

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The term for your wacko neighbor’s behavior is animal hoarding. Only in recent years have authorities begun to realize that there my be mental health issues involved with this form of animal abuse. One thing is for sure, it is definitely a form of animal abuse.

If anyone has any doubts on this matter, I’ll be happy to get aloha aloha all over your asses and make you sorry you did.

techchick, you did your best and are very wise to understand your own limitations in being able to adopt this poor creature. You should be proud that you managed to convince animal control to pursue charges against this animal abuser. When someone is living knee deep in dog shit, it’s pretty clear that things went a teensy bit off the rails somewhere. Again, you’ve a big heart to speak up for those with no voice and have my respect for it.

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Awww…I know exactly what you mean. It’s so hard to walk away from, isn’t it.

God, there’s a dog or two in my own neighbourhood that I’d like to scoop up and bring home right now. In my case, it’s not money but concern about my own ageing, sweet-natured Rotti. At 9 years old, she seems to require more and more love and attention, and peace and quiet as she gets on. She’s slowed right down, easily tired and we’re already treating her for the usual variety of age-related stuff. I just can’t force her to live out her last years with a new, problem dog which would take our attention away from her. She deserves the best “golden years” life we can give her and it just wouldn’t be fair to her.

sigh Ya just can’t save 'em all. You’ve already done more than most people would bother with, don’t beat yourself up over it anymore, okay?

Thanks for the link, Zenster.

And soulsearcher, please read the thread again, you’ll see that techchick already posted an apology for what she said about the other poster’s SO. We could cut her some slack for venting after dealing with someone else’s mess all day, couldn’t we?

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Triss – the whole older dog thing, while having a dog that needs retraining has also crossed my mind.

My dog, Kodi, is 13 years old. Has a hard time walking and I am glued to this stupid computer a lot so the time I spend with him is precious.

I think if I were to entertain the idea of adding another dog to my “family” right now, a puppy would be much easier than the former neighbor’s dog because, well simply, puppies are new. This dog however needs someone that isn’t as independent as I am. Someone that is willing to spend a lot of time with the little guy along with the finances to get a covered dog run so he learns not to jump the fence.

And yes, soulsearcher, I did rethink that post and while I didn’t grovel (sp) I did apologize for that. I don’t grovel (sp) I say I am sorry and move on. BTW, I am pretty dang sure that this woman did abuse this dog given the circumstances of what I posted. You can’t live that way and be mentally stable.

To quote me:

But you have to consider the circumstances. People that can’t pay their rent, have seven dogs who shit in the house and track it through the house, a dog that pees on itself at kind gestures…it is more likely than not an abusive owner. I can’t think it other wise. I am sure she loves the dogs but the severe nature of the submissiveness leads me to a strong conclusion. This woman was abusive to the poor dog. In addition, his reaction to men made me think he was abused, maybe not just by her but by a man in her life and that very well could have been her teen age son that towers at about 6 feet.

Regardless, I announced my error, so go with it or focus on that rather than the thread as it’s intended, to bitch about the bitch who has created a lot of concern in my nieghborhood.