My husband was attacked last night...

Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
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[QUOTE=Plynck]
I didn’t sense that at all. I took it as a comment that one should not get too angry over a television program. And I took his earlier post to be a sympathetic one, with comments on how it could have been much worse for Indygrrl’s husband. A sort of “count your blessings”, if you will. Are we seeing trolls under every bridge these days?
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I got the impression from the King of Soup’s first post that he didn’t believe the OP. It seemed faux-sympathetic to me, with a veiled tone that he doesn’t believe her. If so, I don’t know why he wouldn’t just come right out and say that.

If you read the post in that light, he said that there were a string of events he deems to be unlikely to be true. In his words: 1) it’s unlikely someone would get randomly attacked for no reason, 2) it’s unlikely the dog didn’t attack the perps, 3) it’s “even rarer” that there would be witnesses working on a nearby roof after dark, and that they didn’t intervene to break up the attack, 4) he doubts that her husband was seriously hurt, as he was “walking the neighborhood less than 24 hours later”, 5) he thinks that her husband would have been admitted to hospital if he really had a concussion, and 6) he thinks it’s unlikely that the OP would be able to quickly create flyers to warn their neighbors.

King of Soup closed by saying “I hope the people you normally tell things like this to return very soon.” (e.g. all the other people in the thread who believe her story).

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Well, that totally went over my head, then. My trolldar didn’t pick anything up.

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Oh for pity’s sake. Look at all the people who can read my thoughts but not my posts.

The first post intentionally stressed all the (to me) incredibly improbable elements that led the OP’s husband to the straits he was in. He was very very very unlucky. Indygrrl, responded, unnecessarily, as if to justify the improbable elements. She couldn’t, as anyone couldn’t: there’s no making sense of a string of unlucky coincidences and oddities like that. But short of actual evidence, you-all might assume that I mean what I say, or at least be industrious enough to find an example of a post where I don’t make my meaning clear.

Oh, to satisfy member Waenara’s cavil that:

[QUOTE=Waenara]
King of Soup closed by saying “I hope the people you normally tell things like this to return very soon.” (e.g. all the other people in the thread who believe her story).
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I can only plead guilty to having read the OP, in which the following appeared:

[QUOTE=Indygrrl]
And my best friend is out of town, so are my parents. I feel very weird and wish I had someone to talk to right about now. But there aren’t too many people I feel comfortable talking to about stuff like this.
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Does anyone see why I might wish for the OP the very thing she expresses regret at not having? Mindful of the forum, I can only say I wish people would read posts in their entirety.

As for the second post, was I the only one who thought friend Zebra’s prior post was talking entirely and exclusively about an episode of CSI? Or am I just the only one who knows CSI is fiction?

Meanwhile.

I’m not exactly well-known, but those who do know me should know that if I find something, posted anywhere on the ignorance-fighting SDMB, as completely unworthy of belief, I will say so. Moreover, I will say so even in this forum, leaving SkipMagic to explain why he wants to make his mark as moderator here by carving out a zone of security for any old claim that gets posted under his watch, or take a truly-witty dump in his own hat.

Indygrrl, I hope your husband recovers quickly and completely from any and all concussions and other injuries. If your feelings were hurt, I’m sorry: I don’t like to hurt people’s feelings.

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[QUOTE=The King of Soup]

I’m not exactly well-known, but those who do know me should know that if I find something, posted anywhere on the ignorance-fighting SDMB, as completely unworthy of belief, I will say so. Moreover, I will say so even in this forum, leaving SkipMagic to explain why he wants to make his mark as moderator here by carving out a zone of security for any old claim that gets posted under his watch, or take a truly-witty dump in his own hat.
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Well, should anyone play troll-hunting games in this forum despite a mod’s instructions to do otherwise, they’ll be warned. This can be avoided by simply taking your views to the Pit so that a.) they’ll be in the correct forum; b.) won’t hijack a thread whose OP, despite your misgivings, might actually be legitimate; and, c.) I dunno… profit?

Or, you can even report the suspicious post and let the mods take a gander at it. We tend to prefer this option.

These instructions are not to “carv[e] out a zone of security for any old claim,” but are, instead, meant to keep threads from being hijacked by accusations and game-playing. The reason we disallowed accusations of “troll” and/or “sock” in the first place was because they needlessly hijacked the threads and cast suspicion where it may not be warranted. We don’t want members creating a similar atmosphere by going on similar–maybe even subtle–troll-hunts.

If I misread your posts, I apologize.

Regardless, telling anyone in this forum to take a dump, witty or otherwise, is inappropriate. Please do not do this again.

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Indygrrl, I am so sorry this happened to your hubby! I hope he continues to recover in all ways. And you also. I hope the sub-human slime that did this get everything they deserve, and soon.

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[QUOTE=SkipMagic]
Well, should anyone play troll-hunting games…
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‘Scuse me, Mr. Moderator – you’re up agin’ one of the posters not accusing anyone of trollery. Those who have, in this thread, or seem to be considering it, seem to have escaped your notice. And once again, if I think someone’s posting untruthfully, I’ll say so, and it will have nothing to do with who’s a troll and everything to do with who’s telling the truth, and you can be sure that I’ll do it in the thread advancing the claim I believe untruthful, because that’s where disagreement belongs, not somewhere else where you won’t be inconvenienced by it.

[QUOTE=SkipMagic]
…This can be avoided by simply taking your views to the Pit so that a.) they’ll be in the correct forum; b.) won’t hijack a thread whose OP, despite your misgivings, might actually be legitimate; and, c.) I dunno… profit?
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Sorry – none of the above. If I thought the OP untrue, (a) there’s no place more “correct” than the original thread to have said so; (b) if I thought an OP factually untrue, it could hardly be a “hijack” to write that – what’s more on-point than to say “I doubt that what you say actually happened the way you say it did” – and (c) I dunno…well, actually, you don’t. If I break a rule while disagreeing with someone, I’ll expect your intervention. If I haven’t broken any rules while not disagreeing with anyone, your intervention seems slightly overwrought – I couldn’t say why.

[QUOTE=SkipMagic]
…Or, you can even report the suspicious post and let the mods take a gander at it. We tend to prefer this option…
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That’s the protocol? If I think someone makes an untrue claim anywhere on the SDMB, I have to first submit my doubts for moderator approval, then I should take my doubts to the BBQ Pit, but in no event should I just express skepticism in the thread I might have doubts about? I’ll have to see something more before I accept your use of the word “we.” “Taking a gander” is best accomplished, unfortunately, only by a goose.

[QUOTE=SkipMagic]
…These instructions are not to “carv[e] out a zone of security for any old claim,” but are, instead, meant to keep threads from being hijacked…
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You know, I almost wish I were disputing the OP, because if I were, there would be nothing hijack-like about it. You, the moderator, are trying hard to discourage posts casting doubt on the OP – you’re trying so hard, you’re attacking perfectly innocent and supportive posts that happen to include elements taken wholecloth from the OP and other posts that may cast doubt upon the OP as a whole. What if I did say “I don’t believe the OP, and here’s why.” You’re going to leap into action to protect the SDMB membership from me? For shame.

[QUOTE=SkipMagic]
…If I misread your posts, I apologize…
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Better to apologize for your actions than for hypothetical misperceptions.

[QUOTE=SkipMagic]
…Regardless, telling anyone in this forum to take a dump, witty or otherwise, is inappropriate. Please do not do this again.
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Now, there you have me. If only I could point to some earlier post that first introduced the idea of someone “taking a dump” (“witty” or “not-so witty”) into this thread, I wouldn’t feel so bad. I wish the search function worked better – perhaps then I could defend myself.

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[QUOTE=FourPaws]
Wrong.
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Wrong? I implied “if you say yes the dog bites, then they will have someone deal with the dog” I don’t see how your story relates to what I said. It’s really not that hard to deal with a single dog if you’re expecting the attack (multiple dogs is a different story)

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I didn’t check other posts in this thread, The King of Soup, because they weren’t reported. We don’t have time to check all the posts in all reported threads, nor have we ever claimed to be able to do so. Yours were, however, and I interpreted them (correctly or incorrectly) as snarky attempts at outing someone. If you feel someone else has broken a rule, go ahead and report the post.

Not all challenges to the veracity of posts need to go to the Pit, nor did I say they did. I was focusing specifically on those attempts to out a troll or trolling effort; an attempt I thought was being made by you. You may disagree with our current policies on how such outings are to be handled, but that’s how they are now, and they’re there for the reasons I’ve already explained.

As I should have mentioned in my last post, further comment can be made in the Pit, the proper place for disagreeing with a mod decision. This thread has been hijacked enough.

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My apologies to both **The King of Soup ** and SkipMagic … I’m the one who first questioned TKOS’s sincerity. I should’ve just kept my keyboard shut.

Indygrrl, how’s your husband doing today?

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I’m also sorry if I offended TKOS - I thought his first two posts could have had a tone of not believing the OP, but tone can be a hard thing to interpret properly in a written message.