Yo, dickweed, this is a thread about personal opinions, what the fuck are you looking for, CNN cites? Testemony from people who know the people involved is the closest you’re going to get. :rolleyes:
wring, perhaps you should take a deep breath or ten. I’m not disputing your expertise in the area, or any of your points. What I question is the amount of overwrought emotion that you and others have brought to this thread.
Quitting without notice is a bad thing. I believe I noted this before, but let me say it again, because you do not seem to have read my previous posts very closely. However, it is not the end of the world. If she wants another job at some point in the future, she will find one.
I appreciate that you are a self-proclaimed expert in the field of hiring and firing, but surely you recognize that some of us have experience in that area as well? Not only that, but I am not disputing anything you say, nor your credentials. Quitting without notice–let me say it again–is a bad thing.
However, her mother has the ability to require magic to quit without notice. Do I think this is the smartest or most effective course of action? No. I recognized in my first post that her mother has made errors as well. But being forced to quit without notice is not worth all of this vitriol.
Furthermore, I think the adults in this thread who have gotten so worked up–on both sides of the issue–have done magic a disservice. This is but one of the many bumps on the road of life–and a small one at that. Treating this as if it were an event of cosmic importance teaches her nothing about learning to put our setbacks into perspective.
I’ve also seen little rational debate in this thread. What does that teach her about how to argue logically?
What does it say about the maturity level of the folks on this board?
One thing I wish I could tell magic8ball’s mother is that she’s behaved more maturely in this thread than many of the adults.
wring, perhaps you should take a deep breath or ten. I’m not disputing your expertise in the area, or any of your points. What I question is the amount of overwrought emotion that you and others have brought to this thread.
Quitting without notice is a bad thing. I believe I noted this before, but let me say it again, because you do not seem to have read my previous posts very closely. However, it is not the end of the world. If she wants another job at some point in the future, she will find one.
I appreciate that you are a self-proclaimed expert in the field of hiring and firing, but surely you recognize that some of us have experience in that area as well? Not only that, but I am not disputing anything you say, nor your credentials. Quitting without notice–let me say it again–is a bad thing.
However, her mother has the ability to require magic to quit without notice. Do I think this is the smartest or most effective course of action? No. I recognized in my first post that her mother has made errors as well. But being forced to quit without notice is not worth all of this vitriol.
Furthermore, I think the adults in this thread who have gotten so worked up–on both sides of the issue–have done magic a disservice. This is but one of the many bumps on the road of life–and a small one at that. Treating this as if it were an event of cosmic importance teaches her nothing about learning to put our setbacks into perspective.
I’ve also seen little rational debate in this thread. What does that teach her about how to argue logically?
What does it say about the maturity level of the folks on this board?
One thing I wish I could tell magic8ball’s mother is that she’s behaved more maturely in this thread than many of the adults.
wring, perhaps you should take a deep breath or ten. I’m not disputing your expertise in the area, or any of your points. What I question is the amount of overwrought emotion that you and others have brought to this thread.
Quitting without notice is a bad thing. I believe I noted this before, but let me say it again, because you do not seem to have read my previous posts very closely. However, it is not the end of the world. If she wants another job at some point in the future, she will find one.
I appreciate that you are a self-proclaimed expert in the field of hiring and firing, but surely you recognize that some of us have experience in that area as well? Not only that, but I am not disputing anything you say, nor your credentials. Quitting without notice–let me say it again–is a bad thing.
However, her mother has the ability to require magic to quit without notice. Do I think this is the smartest or most effective course of action? No. I recognized in my first post that her mother has made errors as well. But being forced to quit without notice is not worth all of this vitriol.
Furthermore, I think the adults in this thread who have gotten so worked up–on both sides of the issue–have done magic a disservice. This is but one of the many bumps on the road of life–and a small one at that. Treating this as if it were an event of cosmic importance teaches her nothing about learning to put our setbacks into perspective.
I’ve also seen little rational debate in this thread. What does that teach her about how to argue logically?
What does it say about the maturity level of the folks on this board?
One thing I wish I could tell magic8ball’s mother is that she’s behaved more maturely in this thread than many of the adults.
Oops. Even the Voice of Reason makes mistakes sometimes… 
damn 'sters ate my post.
shortened version -
QN - my posts in this thread have been:
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Mom was right to make kid quit job, even her bad grades weren’t due to the job. (see first page, page 2)
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Quitting w/o notice, however, was bad idea on many levels. (see first page, page two, this page)
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Yes, a child under 18 can in fact buy and register a car in their own name (at least in some jurisdictions). (see page 2 - I think, maybe it’s page 3).
So, please, tell me where I’m ‘riled’?
YOu posted what I considered to be wrong information. I considered it to be wrong information due, not just from my own personal experiences, but from a professional standpoint. I posted, correcting that. You choose to see it as being ‘riled’. Unless you’re mistaking me for other posters here. If that’s the case, then stop addressing posts re ‘riled’ to me. thank you.
Now I understand completely. You’re a Vulcan aren’t you, pk?
Those pesky emotions. I’ll bet 8ball will be awfully happy when she turns 18, and objectivity and rationality take the place of them. Then maybe she’ll be able to make a valid observation.
Now don’t get me wrong, I don’t disagree with the point you’ve tried to make here. I just find it difficult to pinpoint when it’s painted in black and white with a huge paintbrush. Sometimes shades of grey make a more complete picture.
This thread is hardly worth the energy any of us have expended on it, so, before I bow out…
wring, you and just about every other poster in here seems to have blown this situation way out of proportion. So yes, I’m referring to you. But, contrary to your intimation, I have read all your posts and do indeed understand what it is that you have and have not said.
When I say you seem overly worked up, I refer to the two posts before this last one.
First, you seemed “riled” in that you beat me over the head twice with your qualifications as someone who hires and fires. I read it the first time, thank you. I’m literate, as I think my posts demonstrate.
Second, you pounced all over me for offering up wisdom that was contrary to your own and reasserted your supposedly-superior credentials to give advice. I don’t argue that they’re estimable. But you none-too-tacitly denigrated my opinion and experience by screaming (in bold) “I do this for a living, you know.” As if none of the rest of us ever had any experience with being hired or fired from after-school “crummy”-type jobs.
Well, let me assure you that I come from a small town in Iowa. I worked many of those crummy jobs over time. So did my many friends and acquaintances. And from that pool of knowledge, I can tell you:
- Rarely did anyone check our references.
- When they did, if there was a bad reference, the person was invariably hired anyway.
- No one has cared about those crummy high-school job references since any of us graduated from college.
- The real losers I knew–the ones who consistently quit without notice–never had any trouble getting another crummy job later.
This is not wrong information. It is factually correct. Your experience may be different. My guess is that perhaps you hire for positions with more rigorous requirements than the typical after-school student job. Perhaps not.
My point is, this is all anecdotal evidence–yours, mine, and everyone else’s. It won’t always be consistent.
However, I believe it to be an absolutely correct and uncontroverted fact that a person who wants to work can find SOME job. And it’s another fact that quitting once without notice will not be the death knell to any future career for a college graduate.
How is any of this wrong? wring, I ask you again to please calm down, actually read what I’ve written, and then reply.
You don’t know me well enough to know when I’m riled.
I’m merely trying to correct bad information.
you have your experiences from your own (and friend’s lives).
good for you.
I’ve got all of that, plus the experiences of all of my clients, and all of my collegues and all of the managers that I’ve talked to over the years. Yes, it’s ‘all anectdotal’. but I’ll stack my (essentially) thousands of cases across the board vs. your personal experiences anyday. The anectdotal part becomes a problem when you rely on small samples (like one person’s experiences). When you start collecting data from a number of varied sources (clients, collegues, friends, studies, conferences, managers etc.), it ceases to be able to be dismissed by a ‘oh, that’s just anecdotal’.
Why do I keep on pointing that out? well, the same reason I pointed out to Monty that his experience of “minors can’t own cars” was wrong, and I don’t like to see wrong/misguided, misleading/potentially bad information posted.
and I read what you wrote. You apparently did not read what I did. Cause once again, you focus on ‘will a post college job check back on high school references’ and I already answered that, long ago. No, it’s not likely. However, it is indeed likely that currently since she’s in high school still and will remain there for quite a while, and that since we have the additional information that in **her ** local, jobs are getting tough to find, that it will indeed be very difficult (not impossible, read what I said, not what you think I meant), for her to get some one to hire her again, since on her first time out, she quit w/o notice. Yes, she can get under the table jobs, and the like. Yes, she may indeed be able to eventually get another h/s type job.
but, and **all ** I’ve said is that quitting w/o notice will make all of that much, much harder. (not impossible, see ‘harder’ is different from impossible)
Your ‘wrong’ information was that it
That’s wrong. flat out. “almost certainly unimportant”. I’m saying that it’s ‘almost certainly important, but not necessarily devestating’.
see the difference? now, when I quote you and respond??? now do you see?
I don’t think this applies evenly, otherwise you’ll have to explain to me why Kansas let me purchase not one but two cars when I was 17, allowed me to put only my name on the titles, register them by myself, and insure them - all with no parental involvement whatsoever.
Yeah…I’ll tell her you said that.
Now that I got that cheap shot out of the way…what a motherfucking trainwreck of a thread.
Since we’re all just posting opinions here and not CNN cites…
I think it was not good for magic8ball to be forced to quit her job without notice. It wasn’t fair to her, and it wasn’t fair to (gasp!) her employer either. It wasn’t a good way to teach her responsibility, and it would be, I think, somewhat demeaning to be “ordered” to quit a job, and not be allowed to handle it herself.
$200 a day isn’t very much, but I don’t see the point in bringing it up in here. Ms. 8ball might think for a second on the harshness that one can make what she made in two weeks in one day, and still not be very well off. I make a lot more than what pkbites does, and I’m not very well-off either. Depending on what market you live in, and your expenses (such as having a girlfriend that lives 5000 miles away, and dying from a terminal illness), it can be pretty pathetic.
I think the only thing that Ms. 8ball said that really didn’t help her case was:
I hope that was just typed wrong - otherwise, I would think people would be somewhat concerned over a 15-year old using drugs and/or alcohol… 
I see the car side-wreck was already addressed so my anecdote was moot, but it’s not my fault - I couldn’t get the last two pages of this thread to load for about half an hour. :rolleyes:
My god, most of you are acting like children! Get over yourselves; we’ve agreed that yes, you can buy your own car at 16, no, it wasn’t fair to my employer that I quit without notice, 200$ a day may me chump change for some, and not for others, I suck at using the hyperbole smiley face, and that YOU ARE ALL BEHAVING LIKE YOU’RE 8 FUCKING YEARS OLD!!!
I started this rant to do the whole “teen angst” type thing, bitching about my mom and the unfainess of the world, and its started into a little pissing match. For those who were on my side, fighting for me, I apreciate it. And, I guess, for the ones on the oposition, well… yeah…
But enoughs enough. If you must fight, do it in Private messages.
KNOCK IT OFF.
Why does this make me 
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Good on ya Magic…but just remember, it wasn’t ME that started it…it was all their fault mum, I had nuffink to do wiv it…
Now, get back to those maths books girlie…you’ve got some work to do!
Don’t be insulting and silly to the Members here, Ms. 8ball. You’ve been here long enough to know how the Board works - e-mail one of the many helpful Forum Moderators, and they will close the thread for you if and when they choose to. “Ordering” people not to post in “your” thread is not a mature thing to do, regardless of who does it.
I didn’t mean to say that EVERYONE was being mean, but some of you are fighting back and forth, and its just… not a nice thing to do. I may have reacted a bit harshly, but it was just that I do’t like it when poeple fight. It makesd me uncomfortable.
Anthracite, when I say this, don’t take it negitively, but could you please be a little less patronizing towards me? And out of curiousety, were you trying to threaten to close this thread down?
Cuz thats just funny.
I didn’t mean to say that EVERYONE was being mean, but some of you are fighting back and forth, and its just… not a nice thing to do. I may have reacted a bit harshly, but it was just that I do’t like it when poeple fight. It makesd me uncomfortable.
Anthracite, when I say this, don’t take it negitively, but could you please be a little less patronizing towards me? And out of curiousity, were you trying to threaten to close this thread down?
Cuz thats just funny.
I think if you read your post immediately after mine you will see exactly who was being patronizing and rude here. Or at a minimum sounding as such, if it was not intended.
You said you didn’t want people fighting in this thread. You ordered people to go elsewhere. You cannot do that. If you want people to not hijack “your” thread, then ask them nicely, or get the Staff involved. This is not difficult. This is not patronizing.
And I can’t close threads. Nor ban Members.
FTR, I was on your side at first, and I thought you got a raw deal from both your parents and from a few people here. And I think you misinterpreted entirely what others were saying w.r.t. the $200 - you certainly did so w.r.t. my post. What I am saying is that it was a serious matter to you, and even for people for whom it shouldn’t be a serious amount of money, it can be, and thus people should understand that the source of income was important to you. It’s a matter of relatives.
If your games were the tender trap that wounded your grades, and not your job, and you got rid of the games and are trying to redeem yourself…that’s great. You recognized that you messed up, and you wanted to learn and move on.
Good luck with all that.
Ok, I just fininshed reading all the posts and I am not going to pretend I remember every little word from everyone. Also, I am not in here to yell at, stick up for or argue with anyone. The OP asked a question and I am responding after reading the posts and taking into consideration thoughts that have crossed my mind while reading.
I think an issue that was briefly mentioned on the first page was not addressed but in my eyes may be important for M8B to consider.
M8B, you clearly state that your grades suffered as a result of you playing games during class. How can you be so sure that playing games and working did not contribute equally? Or that working didn’t contribute more? IIRC you only had the job for a short time. This may be why your mother felt you needed to spend more time on your studies. Yes, playing games in class did, most likely, contirbute to your lower scores but I can’t see how you can rule out your job completely.
If you had the job during the school year and were doing fine until you started slacking off in class with the games then I think you may have a poiint. However , for now, I feel your mother does have the final say in matters such as this. She may not be giving you the opportunuity to explain yourself but at least she is giving you a chance to get a job when your grades improve. It’s up to you to be certain that it was only the slacking off in class that was contributing to your declining grades.
Which brings me to my next set of questions. How were your other grades? I know you said that you got a 50% (didn’t fail) in one class. 50% is passing (mentioned by someone but never addressed IIRC)? This seems like a very low standard. I understand that you live in a very small town in the Northern Territory but I don’t think that should be a factor for such a low standard. Is this scale standard in Cananda or your town? Or is it your schools own standard?
Just to put things in perspective the HS I attended considered a 74% or less a FAILING grade. Yes it was a very cometitive and at times a difficult school for me. I am not a genius nor was I class valedictorian. However, I was smart enough to attend the school and I knew that a C in my HS was equivalent to a B or B+ in many others. It paid off in college as well because I saw how hard they worked me actually paid off. When I received my first college test result back I was upset that I only scored an 84% (a C in HS). I had initially forgotten that 65% was failing and that I got a B on the test. No, not a great score but you see how having a higher standard helped me. I still worked on improving my scores and knew that at minimum I was capable to perform with B’s.
My point is, are your other grades considered good grades? Were you getting A’s (87.5%-100%) and then slipped to B’s (75%-87.4%)? FYI, I based this on 49% being a failing grade and my math may be a little off. I would expect the colleges in Canada (or anywhere) to have higher standards than what you may be currently accostumed to. If you were not getting A’s and B’s and you plan to go to college, I suggest you work hard to make sure your grades improved to those levels before looking for another job. Otherwise you may think you are a good student now only to find that your grades are barely passing or even failing in college.
Just my two cents and I hope it helps you put things in perspective.
Ok, I just fininshed reading all the posts and I am not going to pretend I remember every little word from everyone. Also, I am not in here to yell at, stick up for or argue with anyone. The OP asked a question and I am responding after reading the posts and taking into consideration thoughts that have crossed my mind while reading.
I think an issue that was briefly mentioned on the first page was not addressed but in my eyes may be important for M8B to consider.
M8B, you clearly state that your grades suffered as a result of you playing games during class. How can you be so sure that playing games and working did not contribute equally? Or that working didn’t contribute more? IIRC you only had the job for a short time. This may be why your mother felt you needed to spend more time on your studies. Yes, playing games in class did, most likely, contirbute to your lower scores but I can’t see how you can rule out your job completely.
If you had the job during the school year and were doing fine until you started slacking off in class with the games then I think you may have a poiint. However , for now, I feel your mother does have the final say in matters such as this. She may not be giving you the opportunuity to explain yourself but at least she is giving you a chance to get a job when your grades improve. It’s up to you to be certain that it was only the slacking off in class that was contributing to your declining grades.
Which brings me to my next set of questions. How were your other grades? I know you said that you got a 50% (didn’t fail) in one class. 50% is passing (mentioned by someone but never addressed IIRC)? This seems like a very low standard. I understand that you live in a very small town in the Northern Territory but I don’t think that should be a factor for such a low standard. Is this scale standard in Cananda or your town? Or is it your schools own standard?
Just to put things in perspective the HS I attended considered a 74% or less a FAILING grade. Yes it was a very cometitive and at times a difficult school for me. I am not a genius nor was I class valedictorian. However, I was smart enough to attend the school and I knew that a C in my HS was equivalent to a B or B+ in many others. It paid off in college as well because I saw how hard they worked me actually paid off. When I received my first college test result back I was upset that I only scored an 84% (a C in HS). I had initially forgotten that 65% was failing and that I got a B on the test. No, not a great score but you see how having a higher standard helped me. I still worked on improving my scores and knew that at minimum I was capable to perform with B’s.
My point is, are your other grades considered good grades? Were you getting A’s (87.5%-100%) and then slipped to B’s (75%-87.4%)? FYI, I based this on 49% being a failing grade and my math may be a little off. I would expect the colleges in Canada (or anywhere) to have higher standards than what you may be currently accostumed to. If you were not getting A’s and B’s and you plan to go to college, I suggest you work hard to make sure your grades improved to those levels before looking for another job. Otherwise you may think you are a good student now only to find that your grades are barely passing or even failing in college.
Just my two cents and I hope it helps you put things in perspective.
Sorry about the double post and spelling errors.