Hmm. I guess losing their job was worse than a free vaccine that could prevent them from getting sick and dying.
I think it’s a matter of certainty. These are people who don’t want to get vaccinated in large part because they think the real risk of them actually getting covid and dying from it is so low they just don’t care. But confronted with the actual certainty of losing their job, most people break.
That’s really encouraging. Gotta admit, I did not feel confident we’d see that number making the right choice.
Here’s another person who died because his caregiver refused to get the vaccine. Only in his case, he died because she gave him COVID.
She feels bad that she killed him, but “even with what she knows now, Balderas said she wouldn’t get the shot.” And these are the people you feel sorry for, OP?
Headline from The Onion:
Nurse Carefully Weighs Whether She Better Off Getting Vaccine Or Losing Job And Dying
I wonder if the Onion writers are struggling trying to keep up.
I guess the situation resolved itself, since he was her only client. She’s out of a job now.
This is New York, remember, where there is social pressure to do it. I’m not optimistic that you’d see the same effect in Alabama.
Shush, I need this.
So reading this thread, choice is not a thing in the United States anymore? The nurse was given a choice to be vaccinated or quit so she chose to quit. What do you all want? Hold her down and force her to take the shot so she can continue to work? Maybe we should round up all of the unvaccinated and put them in vaccination camps. Yeah, I feel really bad that the OP’s father died, but are we going to require people to make personal decisions based on the choices others may make?
I want her to get the shot. What do you want? Is it not my choice to criticize her? Good grief, if she gets a choice to endanger the health of those around her, at least grant me the choice to call her a dangerously selfish asshole.
OP is complaining that she had to make a choice between her job and getting vaccinated. Are you suggesting she should have been allowed to remain in her position without the vaccine? I agree she had the choice to quit, which she exercised. I also think she’s a huge piece of shit for having worked as a nurse this far into the pandemic as an unvaccinated person, particularly in a nursing home where she works with some of the most vulnerable people in terms of covid.
What lengths should we (as a society) go to force her to get vaccinated?
OP is complaining that she had to make a choice between her job and getting vaccinated. Are you suggesting she should have been allowed to remain in her position without the vaccine?
Please point out ANYWHERE in my post that I suggested this? PLEASE! I just said she was given a choice, she made a choice and her choice should not hold her responsible for the OP’s father death.
Her choice is well worth criticizing, and may have had ramifications beyond just harming herself. That choice may harm others. That doesn’t mean necessarily she shouldn’t be free to make it, but she should be criticized for it.
You’re missing the point that the OP was complaining that she had to make that choice. His position is that she should have been allowed to continue working without the vaccine. That is the position that is being most strongly criticized here.
I am not in favor of forced vaccinations by the government, but I am 100% in favor of condemning someone who chooses to not get the vaccine. I am 100% in favor of employment mandates for vaccination.
What do you think?
I’d be in favor of pretty serious consequences. Seems to me that if you are vaccinated, and you are made sick by COVID, and you can demonstrate that an unvaccinated person exposed you to COVID, you should be able to sue them for your COVID-related expenses, including pain and suffering.
Wow! This is pretty far off my read of the thread. The OP was blaming the vaccine mandate for the death of his father, because the nurse exercised her choice to quit instead of getting vaccinated. Just about everyone here said she should quit instead of sticking around unvaccinated, but a nurse who really cared about her patients would get vaccinated (even without the mandate).
I really have zero idea where you got your read of this thread from.
We do that all the goddamn time.
I can’t go into town naked because other people choose not to see naked people. I pay for schools because other people choose to have children. I drive on the right-hand side of the road because other people decided that was the correct side and because other people choose to also drive on the road. (also it helps keep me alive – as does the covid vaccine.) I listen to horrendous grating beeping noises because other people who aren’t bothered by them design equipment that makes them and yet other people buy that equipment. I drastically restrict where I go by not walking into other people’s buildings or lawns or fields because they choose to consider those private property that they’re entitled to keep others out of.
Yes, the nurse in question has a choice. She has a choice to get vaccinated, or to stay the hell away from other people who don’t agree with her. She’s even got, legally, a choice to come close to others who don’t agree with her and endanger them, as long as she doesn’t do it on the job or by entering a place enforcing restrictions. Nobody in this thread, including me, has said that she should be arrested, handcuffed, and forcibly vaccinated; or even locked up inside her own house. But I will note that if I showed up in town naked I’d expect to be arrested and forcibly covered (at least, if I weren’t pinned down until I stopped breathing); and if I went into somebody’s building or garden who didn’t want me there I’d expect to be evicted, by force if I didn’t follow orders; et considerably cetera. And I wouldn’t even have been risking anybody else’s health. So don’t give me this ‘we must never restrict personal choice’ crap. Neither you nor the nurse in question are living in a vacuum in which your “personal choice” doesn’t affect anybody else.
Just goggled this, then found your numbers, which pretty much agree.
Dan
I’ve noticed many anti-vax-related articles involving nurses, fail to mention the type of nurses involved.
I believe all anti-vaxxers are selfish idiots, particularly healthcare workers. But, registered nurses (RN) have significantly more clinical training and experience than licensed practical nurses (LPN) or other ancillary healthcare workers. I think RN’s reputations are tarnished when they are lumped in with non-RN nurses associated with anti-mandate/anti-vax stances.
I’d be more disheartened and shocked to learn Dr. Bob, MD, or Nurse Susan, RN were anti-vax, as opposed to Dr. Billy-Bob, ND (naturopathic doctor), or Nurse Bambi-Sue, CNA (certified nursing assistant).