My stepmother is a vandal and a theif

But why do you assume the house a joint asset? If the husband had it before marriage, it probably stays in his own name and his wife has no claim on it (except insofar as she may be able to have his will partially set aside under relevant “forced share” statutes - but these apply when the total amount left to her is inadequate, not when she doesn’t like which assets she gets left).

lola’s post sounded to me like she expected to receive 50% of the house, with her biological brother receiving the other 50%. That expectation would be reasonable (although not necessarily correct) if the house is in her father’s name alone. He may have placed it in both his and his wife’s names, but I doubt that he’s required to.

I’m not familiar with Canadian laws of succession - I probably only know enough to be dangerous even in my own jurisdiction. But lola’s assertion didn’t sound unreasonable to me, and unless there’s something really unusual about the governing law, a wife has no right to see her husband’s will or to “agree” to anything - she just may possibly be able to have it partially or totally set aside after his death if it would disinherit her.

I missed the Canada part and I know diddy-nothing about division of property in divorce/death in Canada.

However, from what I do know, if marriage assets are joint then one partner cannot just arbitrarily give part of the marriage assets to someone else without the other partners consent. Even with a prenup involved, they tend to lose power after time and the OP father/stepmother have a ten year old together (maybe not but that is what I tend to think) meaning they’ve probably been together 10+ years. Also, if the stepmom has been contributing to the house financially in any way she has claim on the house as a marriage asset even if it was her husband’s before the marriage.

I was just challenging/questioning the OP assertion that the OP received half the house when the father dies. Is this for sure or does the OP just assume this to be true? And even if it were true, why 50%? Does not the 10 year old get a share?

Methinks the OP is making an incorrect assumption, though I could be wrong. I think the OP is thinking he/she gets to inherit the fathers half the marital assets when the father dies and her stepmom/son gets to keep ‘their’ half. This is a common but misguided idea I’ve seen in many children. What about the 10-year old’s ‘half’? Also, will the step mom not fight this?

Something is not right here because we don’t know the full situation but I would hazard a GUESS that the OP is misguided in her assumptions. I could be wrong.

You are right ultress, I don’t think i would ever want to come anywhere near your house. All your totalitarian approach will accomplish is driving your kids away from you. My mom was the same way as you wrote, and I rarely talk to her. I think she saw her grandkids twice last year. I worked with troubled teens for 9 years, and the term that we used to describe our approach with them was "firm but fair. Your approach just instills resentment.

Actually, in Canada, the surviving spouse automatically gets all of the marital assets, house included, assuming she was living in it, as the deceased’s wife, at the time of his death. Dito for life insurance policies. This applies even if they’re common law. (In Canada, this means they’ve been living together for 1 year as a couple.)

I know this, because I don’t have a spouse <SOB> and when I bought my house, I was asked. Due to the lack of spouse, I had to name a beneficiary. Ditto for my life insurance policies. So I suppose if my niece wanted to get rich quick, she could off me. Of course, she’s only 3 so I’m not too worried yet. :smiley:

Thanks for the info - that’s interesting. Is the house a “marital asset” if you already have it when you get married? Here in Massachusetts, you keep your separate property and can leave it to anyone when you die (subject to forced-share statutes, prenups, etc.). If a house was jointly purchased by a couple, it would usually go to the surviving spouse at death (but it depends on how it is titled).

If she’s in it, it’s hers.

Things change in the case of divorce, which is somewhat dependant on province, but in the case of death, all assets of one spouse transfer to the other. In some cases, the deceased may have set aside particular items for their children in the form of $$ or other assets, however, if the spouse is living in the house, it’s theirs.

This is part of the reason that my grandfather sold his house when he remarried after my grandmother died - in the event of his death, he wanted his assets to go to his children/grandchildren, and not his 2nd wife. (She had plenty of her own assets). It wound up being a moot point, because they divorced, in which case all bets are off.

Lola , your stepmother locking the journal in a freezer where you couldn’t get it, and wrapping it in a bag to protect it, makes it sound to me as if she was expecting you to talk about it. Maybe for you to apologize, maybe to give her an opportunity to scold. She didn’t throw it away, or destroy it. Maybe you should talk to her about it now?

That said, I fifteenth the motion that you should move out. Some Ottowans (is that right?) have given some good examples and even a link. All the blame-laying and finger-pointing in the world is not going to improve this situation. Would your dad be willing to help subsidize your start in the outside world? Pay your deposit on an apartment; buy you a TV or toaster oven; or anything? Ask, and start planning for it. FWIW.

pssst - it was the dad who wrapped it in the freezer.

ultress, you’ve got to be shitting me.

I for one, think step-mom WAS a bitch in this case. HOWEVER…I still don’t think we’re getting the full story.

My kids aren’t quite as old as Lola, but I’d have to say I’m in the nosy mom camp, with some reservations. In my home, the basic layout is this:
I’m a full-fledged, card-carrying, certified, Nosy Mom. I will read ANYthing I get my hands on, whether it is left out, hidden beneath a mattress, folded up in a pocket, whatever. I do this not so much out of a sense of entitlement as out of genuine curiosity and, well, nosiness. My kids have known this from the get-go, and this is the Way It Is.
HOWEVER. I will NOT: Throw written stuff away, hide it, steal it, or bitch about it. I won’t plaster it on the fridge to embarrass them, I won’t read it to their father or grandmother, I won’t blindside them with it when I’m angry about something else. In fact, they probably will never know I read it in the first place, unless the EXCEPTION applies.
EXCEPTION: If I find anything that concerns me–admissions regarding drugs, sex, abuse, etc–we will have a Talk. I won’t throw them out or ground them or anything, but neither will I pretend a problem doesn’t exist simply because I invaded their privacy finding out about it.
Stepmom could just as easily have tossed the journal in your bedroom and let it go, but I suspect that’s not her method of dealing with things. You could have smacked yourself in the forehead for leaving something valuable out where it was in danger of being stolen and left it at that, but you’re not quite there yet either.
Time to get out of there. Things are not going to get any better. Regardless of whatever else is going on, everyone sounds miserable–hell, you can sleep on a futon ANYwhere, without dealing with unhappy family members too.
Best,
karol

ultress, you’re so right.
Glad to hear from someone who puts the welfare of thier children and their family ahead of some whimsical notion of children’s privacy rights within the home. You’re approach giving them an option to avoid search by them cleaning and maintaining their rooms is excellent. if they really valued their privacy, their room would be spotless wouldn’t it ? But alas it seems that my wife and I have to keep on it week after week.

ee cummings must be ecstatic to have so many of our newly joined posters channelling him ATM.

ee cummings must be ecstatic to have so many of our newly joined posters channelling him ATM.

Well, Matt, you might TRY. But no police officer is going to bother responding to such a petty complaint. How many police dispatchers are going to send a cruiser around to a complaint of “My stepmom threw out my journal?”

I think Lola’s stepmom’s actions were certainly rude, but criminal? Geez, we could lock up every parent in Canada.

“I can believe that it’s not enough to cover food, water, electricity, etc. for her. Life is expensive. I wonder if she’s unable to support herself now, when will that happen? Maybe the good fairy will come down and grant her three wishes and one of those would be for a better paying job, or a new house, or tons of free money. We’ll have to wait on that one.”

We had to kick my stepson out of the house in January. He was 20. He had graduated from high school, started at - and failed - a technical school, and proceeded to flit aimlessly from job to job. He paid us rent. He also bought himself video games, went to the movies, etc. quite frequently. We were not getting along AT ALL…he thought I was controlling, and I thought he was being a piece of shit. (What can I say…I can’t be objective :P) I thought and thought and thought, and turned it over in my head, because I wanted to make sure I was not going to discuss kicking him out with mercenary intent. I finally determined that it wasn’t mercenary…he was never going to fucking move out unless we took away the option. So I talked it over with his dad, and we talked it over with him, and we gave him a month.
Now he’s living with his grandmother…and they’re both fine with it, and that’s dandy. He’s had the same job since 2 weeks after we kicked him out, and is enjoying it. He comes over here and we hang out and get along fine. He also has a far greater understanding of how the real world works, and why we had some of the rules we did.

bodypoet: Your policy on nosiness is dead spot-on with mine. I have already been through three teenage stepkids…I’m not going to find anything that’s going to make me have to bleach my eyeballs, and I’m not going to narc on you. But it’s going to get read.

A note - none of this particularly applies to my biological kids, as the eldest is 7 1/2. But I know it’s not going to be long.

As for the OP…you lose the right to whine when you live with the 'rents. That’s just the way it is. It sucks and it’s bullshit and it’s fucking unfair; it’s also a rock solid concrete fact. I am in the rather unique position of having been a stepkid and kicked out of my house, and in only 11 years being the stepparent who got the kid kicked out of the house. My stepmother did a very poor job of kicking me out, telling my father that she didn’t “want to live with someone <she> doesn’t know.” Your stepmother is doing a poor job of it as well…but it boils down to the same thing.

You acquire the right to bitch about your living conditions when you move out of your parents’ house. Move out and have your actual really own place - or with actual really intended to be your roommates and not your family - and you have the right to whine about everything right down to the way they BREATHE.

Obviously I’m not talking about extreme cases; abused kids, kids whose parents control their very MOVEMENT, etc.

Long-winded, eh. Sorry about that.

Has anyone but me considered the possibility that Lola’s family might resent her continued dependence on them and her inability or refusal to create an adult life for herself outside of their home?

Whenever I hear an adult complaining about how unfairly they are treated in their parents’ home - and especially when they use lack of money as a justification for not living independently - I wonder how the parents involved feel about their adult child continuing to freeload (and especially when the parents might have been anticipating time and space to themselves once their child reached adulthood).

Sorry, but it’s no go for the house (“Lazy House”) in Barbados. My grandfather was the last to live there.

As far as property, succession and family laws in Ontario go, it can get a bit messy, but here’s a ten cent tour (and remember, this is for Ontario, not elsewhere).

If a person holds a house as a joint tenant, the house goes to the other joint tenant without passing through the estate. If a person holds a house as a tenant in common, then the share in the house passes into the estate for distribution according to the will. It is entirely a matter of choice as to whether one purchases a house as a joint tenant or as a tenant in common, although most people in Ontario chose to purchase as joint tenants (by not passing into the estate, probate fees are saved).

If there is no will, then the estate goes to the husband/wife and children (obviously only after all debts are paid). If there are no children, the husband/wife gets it all. If there is one child, then the husband/wife gets half and the child gets half. If there is more than one child, then the husband/wife gets a third, and the remainder is split equally between the children.

If there is a will, the testator can do whatever her or she likes, but has to watch out for being grossly unfair, for that can lead to the will being contested. Property which falls into the estate is distributed according to the will (remember that the house will not fall into the estate if it was owned jointly).

Now comes the messy stuff. The surviving husband/wife can elect to take as if the deceased were alive and they separated, rather than take as set out above under the intestacy laws or under the will. In Ontario, when married people separate, they split the assets and debts that they came into while they were married (there are lots of exceptions that are not split, though, such as gifts or inheritances), and they split the matrimonial home regardless of who bought it or when it was bought (remember, this is the law for Ontario, so don’t assume that it is the same elsewhere – it is not). The long and the short of it is that by making such an election, the surviving husband/wife can always get half the house and half of everything else, leaving the children to divide the rest according to the will or the intestacy regime.

Child and spousal support claims can also be made against the estate whether or not an election was made. If an election was made, the funds for support would be taken from the estate remaining after the surviving husband/wife had taken his/her share.

Now comes the really messy stuff. All bets are off when a surviving common law spouse is not happy with how an estate is distributed. In Ontario, common law spouses have no rights concerning family property, and no rights concerning succession law beyond a right to support where needed. On the books, they are SOL, but in reality, they often can make claims in equity, where they ask the court to make a fair decision regardless of the statute laws.

Finally, the surviving husband/wife is not dinged with capital gains, but children who take are, so wills and tax planning go hand in hand. That, however, is for another day.

And now back to your regularly scheduled program.

How about, “One of my housemates stole some of my personal effects and threw them out?” They might not be over here with sirens blaring, but I might get to fill out a report. (It certainly worked on the Ex-Roommate Whose Name Shall Not Be Spoken.)

Um, excuse me, but everyone who lives at home still is a freeloader?

Fuck that shit. I still live at home, I have a job, I help around the house and I’m pretty much an independent person. I could move out, MAYBE, but right now, I’d prefer to put my money on other things, such as student loans, schooling, etc.

Both of my parents lived at home until they got married, and lead completely independent lives.

Living at home doesn’t make one a baby or a fucking mooch, and anyone who thinks otherwise can bite me twice.

Well stc hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but my son loves me to death, he adores me and has a deep abiding respect for me. I keep my grandchild at least one day every weekend, and sometimes two or three times during the week. Sure he hated my guts when it was all going on, but he also didn’t lack for anything he needed, and most of what he wanted. Fast forward out of the teen years, he’s now 22 with a one-year-old son himself. Sometimes you have to look past the emotions to the end result. Sorry you couldn’t work things out with your mom, but it takes two, sometimes it takes more on one part than on the other. When you raise a child on your own you have to be tough. Yea I made some mistakes, but I didn’t have any instructional guides so I had to make the best choices at the time. If I did not love my child, I wouldn’t have givem a shit what he did, when he did it or who he did it with. I daresay his son will be raised much the same way.