My wife is giving up. (Long, boring, bloggy)

We have had this idea that it is my wife’s “turn” to pursue something past her useless bachelor’s degree, to go in whatever direction she wants with it. She put me through eight years, she deserves the same in return. Having kids now makes it more difficult, but we have maintained optimism that it could be done.

She doesn’t need to guarantee herself a career of full time work, though she’d be fine with that as well. She’s really in a great position to “follow her dream,” whatever that might be.

So even though photography is far from a growth industry, and people who can shop up a bit o’ graphic design for their friends live on every street corner, she had decided nevertheless to pursue such arts, because it really is the kind of thing she truly loves to do. We figured this is a flexible option. Getting serious training in these kinds of things could lead to… self employment, or jobs in the ad industry, or some happy change of major as she explores options while in school, and so on. We figured things could turn out happy however things turn out.

Well, this was all predicated on an assumption that with training, she could go from “I have a good eye” to “I can create superlatively arresting images and arrange them in compelling ways. Anyway, arresting and compelling enough to earn some dough.”

Tonight she revealed something to me which, to put it delicately, she has kind of kept secret. Not that she was intentionally holding back information, I think, but she was, I think, embarrassed.

I have to explain something first though. (Sorry. Writing on the fly.) A few years ago, she took a photography class. She gained hard-earned high praise in a frank letter written by her teacher after a semester spent with her (my wife) thinking he didn’t think much of her. It turned out he considered her to be one of the best students he’d seen in a long time. He didn’t single her out for praise in class, and so she (being, like me, a feedback junkie spoiled by too much uncritical praise in our grade school years) had thought she wasn’t doing well. Turned out he thought very highly of her. She and I both took this as a sign that it would not be a complete waste of time for her to pursue visual art and design, despite also knowing it’s a competitive field. As I said, we believed it possible to pursue this in a flexible way, allowing for many possible outcomes, all of which seemed fairly happy to us.

Anyway, what she admitted tonight was this. I forgot to mention, by the way, that she probably has dyscalculia. What this means, basically, is that she cannot hold numbers and formulas in her head. Okay, so now, what she told me tonight, which she had never told me before, was this: She’d done well in that class, but only by constantly using a crib sheet to function as her memory for all the stuff about “f-stops” etc etc. (I don’t remember any of the other terminology but photographers reading this will understand.) Try as she might, she never could remember any of this stuff. She just had to write it down in a carefully organized way and use that. Okay, no problem, so she has to write it down. She didn’t know this to be fatal. But it did make her nervous.

And now, for the past couple of months, she’s been reading up on photography stuff, has even enrolled in a class, and she is coming to realize: To be any actual good at this, there is no way she’ll be able to wing it and fake it with written notes. She needs to know all these numbers and procedures, and she needs to know them by heart, with immediate recall. And she, knowing herself, and having thought about this now for a long time, has realized this is not going to happen for her. She’ll get to a point a year or two in at which she will no longer be able to “cheat” her way through (for lack of a better term–it’s not really cheating of course) and she will fail. And she does not see this, understandably, as a good course of action.

Similarly, with other aspects of graphic design, having looked around at what other complete amateurs are doing for free for their friends on the web, and taken a serious inventory of her own skills, she has concluded that there’s nothing there that she has any good reason to think it’d make sense going to school for. Her exact reasons for this were not clearly expressed, but she said something about how she is not creative like she thought she was, that she “had thought she would be able to come up with something, but couldn’t”–which would seem to indicate she underwent some concrete challenge and failed to even get through the starting gate. I am not sure what happened here but it was not a conversation in which interrogation would have been appropriate.

So.

The end of it is this: She’s giving up on her dream. She will not pursue it. She has determined that it would be foolish to do so. And she has nothing to replace it. And I don’t know what to do. And neither do you. But there is literally not one person in the world that I can discuss this with (other than her, and not right now) and I feel compelled to write about it, just to think it through, just to get a handle on what’s happening.

This is defeat.

Oops, I probably should have put this in MPSIMS… sorry…

It sounds like she has a case of the blues, like she might be unhappy. Everything else okay in her life?

First let me say that I feel for you and your wife. That is a terrible place to be. You have my sympathies.

But with todays technologies it seems like there should be away around this. I used to date a girl who had an MFA in photography. She never used that stuff. She just used her “eye” and bracketed her set ups. I never liked her stuff nor did I think she was very good but she made quite a bit of money selling it. And that was back before digital and photoshop.

“This is defeat”

Seriously … that silly ass, over the top comic book synopsis is your take on it?

People chase dreams and tilt at windmills all the time. Being a successful pro photographer for a full time mother with young kids was kind of a hugely unrealistic goal to begin with and you encouraged it. Now that’s she has taken stock and pulled out, instead of being relieved and happy for her that she does not feel compelled to spin more time into something that had an exceedingly small chance of being successful you feel sad, and almost sound betrayed.

She learned some useful stuff, but decided that a career as photographer was not for her. She supported you for 8 years and this “she failed” nonsense is the best response you can think of to her common sense epiphany?

Pull your head out of your rear end. Dial back the drama and stop acting like a baby died. Go to her and tell her she made the best decision possible and that you support her in whatever she wants to do in the future. She needs you to be a rock of support and understanding right now not a judgmental, sighing drama king.

She needs to know all these numbers and procedures, and she needs to know them by heart, with immediate recall.

I find myself curious about this. There are fields where it’s not essential to memorize specs, as they’re readily available in books, but it is essential to understand how to use them. I have no clue how applicable this concept is to her situation. Is there any possibility that she has misinterpreted the importance of memorizing this stuff? Any mentor, teacher, or professional in the field that she could check with to be certain?

I’m sorry to hear of reaching this discouraging point. We can hope that over time a new dream, or maybe a new angle to this one, will come to light, or that perhaps other aspects of life will be fulfilling to where a “dream” as such isn’t required.

I sympathize with your wife. Since I was a child I dreamed of being a marine biologist. However by high school I realized my severe inability to proficiently succeeded at math and chemistry would make a career in biology nearly impossible. I was devastated. I went to college and completed a bachelors degree in Health Services Administration and a masters in Anthropology. While I am very happy with my accomplishment and satisfied with my current path I still pine for the dream I had. My husband has even suggested going back and getting my degree in marine biology. After 12 yrs in school I may just do that. Why the hell not, right? Life is too short to give up.
Your wife is right to feel upset about realizing her dream may be out of reach due to her limitations, but I hope she finds a new dream or finds a way to pursue her dream that may not involve formal education. There are always alternatives.

Look at it this way: photography is a difficult business, and an excellent way to lose your love of taking photographs. If this means your wife continues to enjoy taking photos, then maybe it’s a good thing.

You can learn a lot about photography without having to memorize the kinds of things they’ll cover in a traditional photography course. Take photos, make deliberate decisions, and learn what the result of those decisions are. A DSLR makes that easy because you can change one thing at a time and see the result immediately. You don’t need to understand what f/2.8 really means; you just need to know what happens when you turn the aperture dial this way or that.

I assume your wife took the photos in the other thread? They’re perfectly fine amateur portraits. I can find faults if it were work for an assignment or a budding pro, but that’s because I’m looking for things to criticize. Do they look good on your wall? Then they’re perfect.

I’m sorry you’re going through this, and right now it feels like the end of something and that hurts and will take some grieving.

But two things spring to mind. The first is that almost everyone gives up on a career aspiration or two (unless you’re my sister, who decided at age 4 that she was going to be a doctor and has been practicing medicine for over 20 years, but that’s definitely the exception). I had at least 2 career paths that I was passionate about and pursued some training in before realizing in one case that I didn’t have the skills, and in the other case just never really finding the right path to move forward. Your wife got a late start, so she’s putting this path aside later than some people, but it’s still something that can be overcome. She will find her path (as I always tell people, it’s not as if my current career path even existed when I was in school).

The second thing is that a creative passion can always be pursued for personal satisfaction and joy, even if you never make it a career. That first path I didn’t have the skills for? I still spend several hours a week on it, with no compensation and no audience, because it makes me happy. Photography is a great amateur pursuit, even as the professional opportunities are drying up.

It sounds like you are being really supportive at a time when your wife needs you, and that makes me feel like she will get through this difficult period and find the right way forward for her.

I tend to be with Astro on this.

So your wife has discovered that she’s unlikely to be able to make serious coin out of something she’s interested in. So? Really, she can still love photography and do it for a hobby.

She doesn’t have to study something at uni just for the sake of it or as payback for supporting you, she has plenty of options. Just make sure she knows that you’ll be there to support her in those.

I think she may be overthinking this (at least the photography… lacking details on the graphic design I can’t comment on that).

Most common scenarios for calculating correct exposure:

  1. In a studio, shooting fully manual, you use a light meter which tells you exactly what shutter speed and aperture (f-stop) to use.
  2. Outside of a controlled environment (lighting-wise), set the camera to aperture-priority, and let the in-camera meter determine shutter speed based on the f-stop you’ve selected.

The things she needs to memorize about aperture is big number=small hole, and small number=big hole; and that the bigger the hole, the shallower the depth of field.

Having a general understanding of how available light, ISO, shutter speed, and aperture size interact to correctly expose a photo is good groundwork to have, but it’s not something that I have ever needed to calculate on the fly. Often you can’t, if the subject is moving too fast – just set your aperture and hit the shutter release as many times as you can before the shot gets away.

The “dirty secret” of photography is that even the best photographers can shoot hundreds of frames to come up with one or two really awesome shots.

So I guess I’m not seeing where dyscalculia should be tripping her up, here – unless I’m truly not grokking the level of the problem and she has trouble distinguishing which of two numbers is larger than the other. Manipulating aperture to get the desired result comes from lots of practice. A good eye for lighting and composition is much tougher to teach, if you don’t have some sense of it already.

(I’m also assuming she’s learning digital, and not darkroom-and-paper techniques. There is math involved in the darkroom.)

I’m a graphic designer and photographer, and I honestly don’t understand the memorization issue. It sounds like she’s inventing a reason to cover-up the decision she’s already made.

And it also occurs to me that she may be trying to deal with depression. It wouldn’t hurt her to see someone about it.

Has she talked to her academic councilor, or a favorite professor about this? I don’t know a whole lot about photography, but it seems odd that, with all of the advances in modern camera, that this would be an absolute deal breaker.

Can you give us some example of the “dyscalculia” in her life other than this.

As others have suggested - I don’t buy this - unless she truly can’t understand numbers. Can she cook and realize that something that is cooked for 3 minutes and is cold - should be cooked for 4 minutes? Or that she has to put the accelerator down if she wants to go faster?

Some of photography is lens selection. This doesn’t require great speed. She can crib and should be able to do this by memory. ISO, Aperature, shutter speed - you’d have to have a serious disability not to be able to adjust these - and don’t really need to figure these all out instantly. And as other have mentioned - the semi automatic modes on cameras take care of much of this.

It isn’t like a photographer is instantly figuring out in his head - distance to subject, lux, lens needed, Aperature needed, shutter speed, ISO - at least not most of the time.

Something else is going on here.

Is living a life of mediocrity really all that bad?

There are other things to life than a higher education.

This. A million times this. Get over yourself. :smack:

I was thinking the exact same thing.

I know it’s really lame & corny to say this, but it’s true: sometimes we are far more terrified of being really good at something, at standing out from the crowd, than we are of failing. So we try to fail before we ever succeed.

Also, you know how sometimes you’ve been excited to go on a holiday for weeks, and then right when you’re packing you wish you could just stay home? Maybe it’s that, too.

The status quo is always easier and less scary.

And lastly: people who are good at something typically feel like a fraud, like some day soon someone will find out they are not supposed to be there. That they’re not actually qualified, they’re not really good enough, that it was supposed to be someone else. This feeling is weirdly common.

I learned a new word. :slight_smile:

Thanks for the kind and encouraging words, everyone.

Astro, your post is completely wrongheaded. To put it very succinctly: I haven’t “encouraged” her in the sense you mention, rather, I have supported her. I have not pushed her into anything, in fact, quite the opposite. It is she who took the initiative a year or two ago to remind me, in what we shall term a pointed conversation, that in her opinion, I owe her eight years of “dream following.” And nowhere in my post do I imply that this is about her becoming a “successful pro photographer” while remaining “a full time mother with small kids.” My post was careful to explain that the idea she was going for had a lot of flexibility built into it and did not presume a career as a professional photographer, indeed, did not presume a future career at all. You have not read my post for comprehension, and instead seem to have imported a lot of uncharitable and incorrect assumptions into–whatever it is you were doing instead of actually reading the post.

Anyone who agreed with you deserves a similar criticism. You guys are jerks.

As to whether the reasons she gave last night are the “real” reasons, of course one can’t help but speculate about that, but in the end, the facts are, she has determined this is not happening, and so it is not happening. It can’t be my place to question her reasons. (To do so would be to do that “pushing” thing certain people accused me of upthread.)

She is discouraged (this is too weak a word, but “hopeless” seems to strong) by what she perceives as the possibility that she is not, after all, going to end up living a life that she herself finds respectable. That this is what she feels like she is facing is what had me so upset last night, though as you can see only now have I managed to put the problem so clearly into words.

stui FYI I don’t see how this is similar at all to what Astro said, so please do not think I meant to include you in the relevant comment in my previous post.