Yes, I was posting from a bar, so it was difficult.
Basically, as I’ve commented on before:
Your conversation with Episkey seems over the top for a Townie regarding your resignation to being killed.
Your over confidence that you have found several Scum and are exceptionally certain. (I’ll admit that this might just be because you’re rubbing me the wrong way with your arrogance and what I find to be insulting nature.)
Your seemingly strong refusal to consider lynching someone other than NAF at this point.
Thanks for easily handing us an overwhelming advantage. This will be great after you’re dead. Then we’ll be able to trust your amazing intellect. Putting your brilliant powers of deduction in color will help us. With our limited intellect, it should make it easier to find. And it is pretty too.
I mean you guys want to lynch me for contribute when at best there’s stuff you just don’t agree with. Obviously wolves are trying to derail the NAF wagon onto someone else and I’m a convenient target for that, but if there’s villagers in this group also willing to wagon me then they’re pretty dense.
I want to lynch my strongest wolf read. Yes, I am strongly refusing to consider lynching anyone else right now because I’m almost certain that NAF is a wolf. Why would I risk letting wolves derail this? Obviously wolves are going to try to make me look in another direction and I’m not going to do that. Making me a wagon because I want to strongly lynch a someone who I feel is almost certainly a wolf is stupid.
If I’m right about NAF and normal, I absolutely will a) be clear to some degree and b) be a preemo night kill target. This is simple. Again, me thinking I’ll be a night kill target is not wolfy to any degree. How the hell is this even a bullet point of yours? There wasn’t a giant discussion on this, I mentioned that I’d probably be killed off if I’m right about shipping two wolves, episkey felt the same way if NAF flips wolf (because it sort of clear episkey), and we agree on that. Now people are coming in and trying to make this a case on us possibly being wolves. It’s called wolves trying to divert the wolf wagon (naf) onto other targets.
I’ve been no more stubborn in the way that I play than in the way several of the guys here do. I grew disinterested and found it easy to get uninvolved after constantly having to argue with dopers and pizzaguy about elemental ww 101 bullshit which shouldn’t even merit discussion imo.
I can understand you not liking my methods or theories as I feel the same way about a couple of players in this game (namely pizza and peeker but they’re both dead now), but that’s absolutely not a reason to lynch me.
I didn’t propose that idea, and no one has brought this to my attention as far as I’m aware.
I was in full “We have to kill NAF” mode when you claimed to have peeked him. Admittedly I’m tunnelvisioning him a bit but I never once stated anything like your suggesting in the above.
On my list I had pwnsall as “Most Likely to be Town”, although I don’t fully remember why. At this point I almost support Lynching pwnsall, and promise to use random.org for my further voting if he flips Wolf. :smack:
:smack: In the same post I did admit to “extreme confusion”.
(But my point may still have some validity: Why do a fake peek if you don’t know you’re not a seer?)
I will again advocate mass target reveal. Please be aware that, if this is a good idea, it is increasingly urgent. Mass role reveal can be delayed since the dead reveal their roles. In this game, knowledge of the targets of the dead is lost forever. To re-answer Suburban Plankton’s re-question it is essential to try to enforce a mass reveal so Scum can be caught in lies. I’m afraid the ongoing revealing by Townies is pro-Scum.
P.S.: I’ve been slightly pinged by Normal Phase but don’t know why. Can someone synopsize the case against her?
I guess I’d look at it differently if I were modding it. Clearly it didn’t happen this way, but if he copies his target’s power every night, he should have USED the power he copied the Night before on himself, but COPIED his own power for use the next night, because his target was himself, so the role he took on from that point should have been his own. So he could be a mimic twice the next Night, not a doubler two Nights in a row. The rule against having the same target two Nights in a row was likely put in place due to this role; it seems cheap to be able to get around it this way.
Do we know who targeted you N3? It could be that your message to Charlie didn’t bounce–you got a message independent of the rest. Either a true one or one designed to confuse. It doesn’t make sense that your message would bounce. That having been said, it seems like Ben’s results contradict yours as well regarding pwnsall, so it’s probably the case that it was yours. Just a thought, though.
Based on this, I’m going to suggest that NAF was Episkey’s message, and Episkey was yours. With Zeriel’s confirmation that NAF is Town (and we will find that to be true or false soon enough), and Episkey’s prior track record of having wrong results (see gnarlycharlie) and Ben’s of having correct results (see Weedy) we can only deduce that the NAF = Scum was the incorrect result provided by Episkey.
My instincts say that Episkey’s role is more pro-Scum than pro-Town. But either way, this HAS to get resolved Today. Otherwise, this discussion will dominate the game until he’s lynched. And if he’s telling the truth and is an insane Cop, we have confirmed NAF and pwnsall, and we can finally move on. And if he’s a paranoid Cop, first we burn down Gadarene’s house and put sugar in his gas tank, then we know we can’t trust Ben’s results until he gets a Scum result, which is also important to know at this point in the game.
Personally, though, I think that Ben HAS found a Scum result, and it’s Episkey. It’s the only way this data makes sense when put together.
And on that note, I am going to be tailgating at the OSU game for the rest of small-t today. Will try to get a signal to read this on my phone, but unsure if that’s realistic.
Alright, pretty sure I’m caught up now. First off, I’m inclined to take Zeriel’s claim at face value for the moment, so I’m leaning town on NAF. Other two wagon’s at the moment seem to be Episkey and crackedquads.
There was a lot of discussion about one of Episkey and NAF having to be wolf - can anyone summarise for me why that is? If it’s true then I’ll vote Episkey since I’m tending to accept NAF as town for the moment. Crackedquads, I don’t really have a feel for. Will reread his posts now.
I think it boils down to AskThePizzaGuy getting 2 messages from Night 2 (I could be mistaken). One said NAF was Wolf, the other said Episkey was wolf.
Some players have maintained that one of them had to be untrue.
Episkey thinks he is an insane detective whisperer, and that he himself was the result of his investigation.
Others are skeptical because some of his results have been whispered and some haven’t. Additionally, there seems to be no reason to who the actual target of his investigation is.
Since Episkey believes himself to be Town, and further believes that the result non himself was the one he delivered to ATPG, he maintains that NAF must be Wolf.
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Hmm, on re-read, I don’t particularly like the crackedquads case. I’m not sure a wolf crackedquads would be so vocal and pushy against a villager NAF (if he’s a villager, which I’m assuming for the moment), it just looks bad since most other people seem to be willing to let him live.
Your role claim doesn’t make much sense. They aren’t in any way consistent. SilverJan and Pizza targets seem to suggest you’re a false whisperer. The other 2 seem to imply that someone’s whispering to you or that you’re in the mystic circle but mysteriously didn’t get results the first two nights.
Honestly its kind of making me reconsider my vote on you because surely a wolf would come up with a better claim?
