So are Ed and Jan our only confirmed Town left alive at this point?
My guess is lilflower is Town as well. Ben would have aimed at someone who he believed to be Town, to make sure that the message didn’t get withheld or lied about. He had investigated Jan, so he would have targeted her, and Episkey targeted Septimus.
It was Septimus’ post in which he tried to argue that Ben targeted him and thus lilflower was Scum that had me thinking he was potentially Scum and worth targeting last Night.
Would have forced her to target herself instead of JD. It was either her or…Giraffe? who are our presumptive Apothecaries.
I’m not sure that I’m confirmed Town. I don’t think I’ve been investigated by anyone.
We should be pretty solid that my power is my power.
So we have three Scum left out of our 13 remaining players. As far as I know, all our investigative roles are dead. Two confirmed Town, and one mostly-confirmed (Giraffe, who I doubt Blaster Master would have targeted N1 if Scum). So that leaves us with three Scum in 10 or 11 players, which is doable.
So how do we narrow this down? Is lynch-the-lurker a valid strategy at this point? Do we lynch those who refuse to be forthcoming about their targets now? Where do we go from here?
Ed, I got a message from Ben that you are Town a couple of Nights ago.
I’m happy to claim if you all think it will help. Frankly, I don’t know if what I know is all that helpful but I will say that I have pretty much figured out what my role is.
Oh, I had forgotten about that. Guess I’ll be dying soon then, eh?
**Scuba_Ben **targeted **gnarlycharlie **on Night 1, but since Drain Bead targeted Ben, his power was reflected to himself. He was told that Silver Jan is Town.
Ben targeted Drain on Night 4. She was told that special ed was Town.
Idle Thoughts was told on Night 2 that Drain was a Reflector and a Villager (if he was being truthful). The Reflector part certainly appears to be true, but have we ever been able to confirm the Villager aspect?
Idle also claimed to have been told on Night 2 that **NAF1138 **was a Villager and a Mimic, which was true. That result he claimed was due to his Detective ability, but the Drain Bead result he claimed was not. Has anyone figured out how that message (Drain is Town) might have gotten to Idle?
I believe JD claimed that he targeted Idle on Night 3 so couldn’t the PM have come from JD?
Idle claimed the message about Drain Bead on Night 2. On Night 3, Idle and J.D. both targeted Idle, and Idle claimed to have received 2 messages with his role information, which would be consistent.
So far, everything Idle told us before he was outed seems to be true, with the possible exception of Drain Bead’s alignment.
He targeted NAF on Night 1 and received his correct role information.
He was blocked on Night 2, when he was targeted by Normal Phase (who did receive a PM stating she was a Roleblocker, though this is not confirmed), and by Silver Jan.
He targeted himself on Night 3, and J.D. targeted him, leading to two messages with his own role info.
The only thing out of place is where the Drain Bead information came from. If he was in fact blocked, then someone else must have sent him the message, but I can’t figure out where it might have come from. If he was not blocked, then the only reasonable conclusion is that he investigated Drain Bead and lied about it for some reason, which implies that drain is Scum.
Regarding lilflower’s alignment:
**Episkey **said he targeted Silver Jan Night before last. Jan says she received a message stating that lilflower is Town.
**septimus **said he received a message saying lilflower is Scum.
We know Episkey was Scum, and he must have been aware of his ability. So if lilflower was Scum, he knowingly targeted a mostly-confirmed Townie to basically tell her “lilflower is my Scum-buddy”. I have a hard time believing that.
So either lilflower is not Scum, or Episkey did not target Silver Jan (or both).
If lilflower is Town, then Jan’s message is true, so it apparently came from Scuba_Ben. this would imply that septimus was Episkey’s target, and his message that lilflower is Scum is consitent. It also makes sense that Episkey would have lied and claimedJan as his target, because if we believed him that would logically have led us to lynch lilflower. Episkey would have died Today in any case, but that’s neither here nor there.
I’m putting **lilflower **in the ‘likely Town’ column.
I think any additional information would be beneficial to Town at this point.
Claim is on the way but I did want to respond to this issue of two messages about me last Night. Doesn’t that seem like a humongous coincidence? According to the role PM’s for both Scuba Ben and Episkey, they send the alignment of a random player to their target. What are the chances that I ended up as the random player for both of them? I’m very suspicious of septimus claiming that he got that message from me but it’s pure conjecture at this point. Episkey clearly lied about targeting Jan. But maybe Episkey was actually blocked and never sent a message at all. I cannot figure out who the roleblocker is so it’s possible that that person targeted Episkey Night 6 (and maybe didn’t bother to claim it because he/she saw that Episkey was going to be lynched anyway).
Wait, I saw this from someone yesterday too and didn’t get a chance to comment, but I thought his initial claim was that he was roleblocked on night two. Where is “Drain on night two” coming from?
As for the over-arching issue, I think some vote records might be pretty useful right about now.
I was working on similar logici to suburban -yep lilflower for now gets a pass
Still struggling with septimus claim to have random result on lilflower as well.
my clear / scum list, obviously all IMHO
town
lil flower
Special Ed has claimed town efficiency expert, I recieved the role PM (with my name) and alignment was town - so he is good
Suburban I think is pretty much cleared - I have seen him visit who he said he did, plus the scum follower is dead so he is cleared
Scathatch - probably the apothecary- again town role based on the wonky role PM I receievd
SilverJan - most likley town - cleared by Scuba right and targeted by scum N1
Bufftaby - seams to have a protection role and she tageted known town(NAf) with what seams like good intentions
Not sure about drain bead - did she get cleared by any one
onto my likely scum list
giraffe - I am pretty certain he soft claimed apothecary - pretty safe scum claim
Lighter feet - because along with Drain bead I saw her/him visit Scathatch last night- so likely cause of the block on scathatch
Septimus - still not sure - the dual lilflowe rreads - sorry to bang on about that
Donkx4 - no idea
normal phase - no idea
So
**vote Lighterfeet **
FYI my logic for watching scathatch was I beleived him to be the apothecary so figured he would be a scum kill/block target in order to have JD die. I knew I couldnt see a kill (i watched Zerial the night he died and did not see anyone but NAF visit - so the scum kill is collective - no assigned killer) and I banked on scum killing naf and blocking scathatch
As I said before, short of actually receiving a role PM, I’m 99% sure that I am the doctor.
Night 0: targeted Silver Jan
Night 1: targeted gnarlycharlie who reported feeling safe
Night 2: targeted Giraffe but I was blocked
Night 3: targeted myself and got a message that I felt safe
Night 4: targeted Drain Bead and Suburban Plankton who both reported feeling safe
Night 5: targeted Scuba Ben who reported being blocked but didn’t say anything about feeling safe
Night 6: targeted Special Ed who hasn’t said anything about feeling safe on Night 6
Night 7: targeted NAF and he was clearly the right choice but I was blocked!
I’m thinking there are two roleblockers out there and it stands to reason that one is town and one is scum. I was going to hold off on claiming to see who might have claimed to target me last Night but I think even a town roleblocker would have targeted me last Night if for any reason they thought Episkey might have been telling the truth (although I don’t know why anyone would believe what a scum says). It’s also possible that sepitmus is correct in his conclusion from yesterDay that the scum probably figured out I was the doctor.
Interesting. I did notice in my list of claims that Lightfoot II did not ever give us his list of targets, just that he got no result. But I think no result would be consistent with a roleblocker role and maybe he just didn’t want to tell us his targets because he was blocking town.
I’m also thinking that we might have a scum among Giraffe and Donkx4. They have been way too quiet in this game.
vote Lightfoot II
NETA: It makes sense that Lightfoot II is a roleblocker but really as town should not have any reason to block Scathach from curing JD.
dead
thanks for the game guys, I had fun.
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Post 3721 (early on Day 4)
**Idle **had previously told us he was blocked on Night 2, and had later added that his intended target had been Silver Jan. It’s in this post, made a Day later, that he adds in that he received a message with Drain Bead’s role info.