You’re overestimating the benefit for you outing yourself as a possible town vigilante.
If you are a villager, the wolves are probably killing you tonight. They don’t even know their roles yet, so their preference would be to night kill you instead of targeting you with night actions.
Now that you’ve explicitly stated that trackers should target you to see if a wolf visits you, you’ve really eliminated any chance of wolves targeting you with a night action instead of using their night kill. Additionally, villagers could have very well targeted you if they suspect they are doctors.
Perhaps more importantly, is that we’ve already lost one of vigilantes on day one. If you’re correct about your power, you’re going to be two dead village vigilante’s in as many days. Losing what may possibly be all of vig’s in two days is VERY VERY BAD.
Finally, and probably least importantly, you outing yourself so the village can help pick your next target is not a good reason to out yourself. There are a bunch of better reasons to already stay quite, but even if those reasons didn’t exist, you can’t even trust the people telling you who to shoot at. EVEN IF we could help you pick a target, the wolves may be able to night kill you tonight and your action may go unprocessed.
To add something I forgot: If the wolves night kill you, I highly suspect that would be traceable. IE I don’t think the tracker can target you and get back “Player A, B, C, D, E, F and G ganged up and killed Askthepizzaguy.” That would be incredibly broken. So the wolves can just night kill you and go untraced.
I have heard all these arguments before fellas. This is NOT my first rodeo.
When the vigilante role lands in your lap, feel free to execute your chosen strategy; as it has apparently fallen in my lap, I am choosing an “open” strategy for the explicit purpose of diverting scumkills. It’s too late to debate the merits of revealing now, it’s done.
Now, I ask you folks to name two suspects instead of one. I may not go with your recommendations, but I’d still like to squeeze information out and saturate the discussion with it.
In most games that I’ve played in, the wolves will nominate a player to make the night kill. I have no idea if that’s the situation here, although I kind of assumed it was which now sounds a little silly as then someone would have to forgo their night action to do the NK so maybe it is by committee. At any rate, in your experience are the wolves usually an aggregate killer or is there often a lone wolf who must make the action?
If you’ve heard these arguments before, you should know to stay quite in this spot..
Your “open” strategy is anti-town. We lose another village vig, we gain no information from your untimely death, and you might not even get to use your power again before you die.
If I were the vig, I’d target PCM tonight unless he gets lynched.
(But I strongly suspect you’re going to be dead in the morning and if you’re not, it’s gonna take a hell of a lot of villagery posts for me to think about soft clearing you.)
I’m at a beachhouse with family this weekend and will only have intermittent internet access, but the days are long here so I think I’ll be OK in terms of participating and following the thread. I’m glad we somehow took out a wolf last night, but it’s a bummer that we lost our vigilante Guiri, especially since he’s a savvy player. The only other WW game I played where the villagers had a vig, we lost him on the first night as well (although he took the wolf seer out with him that same night).
Here’s my analysis of the voting for krayz yesterday, I hope it proves to be useful:
Drain Bead is the first to vote krayz:
I agree with his reasoning and don’t find this vote to be suspicious. His observations are valid and he’s making the rest of the village aware of them by putting in an early vote.
Twenty minutes and five posts later, Meeko, who I subbed in for late in day 1, puts in a vote for krayz. Here is what he had to say:
I agree with this as well. I believe that, early in the game, the next best thing after actually lynching a wolf is lynching a villager who is either unwilling or unable to put thought into the game and be productive for the village. **Meeko **had reason to believe krayz would be like this, so I think his vote makes sense.
I decided to leave Meeko’s vote in place because he seemed to have put thought into it and I know that he is/I am a villager.
After these two votes, krazy was tied for second with 2 votes behind peekercpa, who had 3.
Scuba_Ben was next on the wagon, voting krayz because he didn’t like that krayz had been smudging anyone that voted for peekercpa.
**Mahaloth **then came out of nowhere and voted krayz to make him lead wagon:
His only remotely legitimate reason is that krayz is “pinging” him, other than that he only provides excuses for his vote. This seems very wolfy, and of course we now know that **Mahaloth **died and flipped wolf. **Mahaloth **could have decided to push the krayz wagon to protect at least one other wolf who was getting heat at the time. Maybe he saw two or three villagers already voting for krayz and decided he could blend in. For the record, at the time **peekercpa had three votes and the following players had two votes.
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MykBot
Dancecat
Giraffe
TexCat
Idle Thoughts has claimed that it was revealed to him that **peekercpa **is a villager, so if that’s true then he’s not who the wolves would have been trying to save. It’s not a lock, as Idle Thoughts could have received an incorrect reveal from Gadarene or he could be lying. **Idle Thoughts **eventually jumps on the krayz bandwagon himself, so I think if it turns out peekercpa is scum then more than likely Idle Thoughts is scum too and has been trying to protect peekercpa.
I am less suspicious of Scuba_Ben’s vote because he provided a reasonable explanation for why he was voting and because he switched his vote to Suburban Plankton, a complete non-wagon, not long after **Mahaloth **voted krayz.
The krayz bandwagon is quiet for about 150 posts, at which point krayz has three votes along with peekercpa, Dancecat, and** Silver Jan**, while **TexCat **has four. Idle Thoughts then switches from **Dancecat **to krayz in this post:
While this makes sense, this is a bit of a rehash from the reasons **Meeko **and Drain Bead provided when they voted krayz. See above for what I think this could mean if **peekercpa **turns out to not actually be a villager.
Shortly thereafter, **Lightfoot **votes for krayz here and makes him the leading bandwagon yet again:
To me, this seems wolfy and uncomfortably similar to Mahaloth’s vote and post. He doesn’t seem to have a great reason for why he’s making the vote - it reads more like an excuse for why he’s making this vote. I have a full time job too so I can relate, but I still think it’s a suspicious in terms of its timing and tone, and it’s worth making note of. I will say that his last few sentences sound villagery, and he was paying attention to krayz before this vote.
Scuba_Ben then changes his vote back to krayz after seeing that nobody else is going with his Suburban Plankton vote.
This seems like something a villager would do, it looks like he’s genuinely interested in getting the village to make the best lynch and states that he’s still open-minded.
The last vote garnered attention for being scummy right away, and I see it’s still attracting attention today:
This is wolfy for the same reasons as Maholoth’s and Lightfoot’s posts were, but might be the worst of all three. He later admits it was his first post in the entire thread. He said he’s from Brazil and has limited internet access. While that might explain why he hadn’t been active in the thread, it doesn’t explain his bizarre post. I imagine that a wolf who doesn’t know what’s going on in the thread would rather not vote at all than make a vote like this and attract attention to himself, but he might have not known any better and decided to vote for the leading villager bandwagon.
Well, that took longer than I thought and I’m going to sleep now. I’d appreciate any comments on my analysis in this post, and would like to hear from the people that I claimed acted suspiciously (Lightfoot, Precambrianmollusc, maybe Idle Thoughts although that depends on peekercpa’s afilliation). I’ll be back by tomorrow night at the latest.
On a note related to game mechanics, I think it might be better if the night chat had its own thread. While it’s fun and mostly harmless, it can be a little distracting and it adds more no-content posts to the thread and makes it harder to read. I believe it makes reviewing previous days or analyzing posts from a certain user a little more time-consuming. A separate thread dedicated for night chat would allow players to talk with each other at night while keeping the game thread a bit more tidy and compact.
I think you’re correct that all the wolves would have a secondary action, and they elect one of their own to perform the kill.
It may also be possible that the game host gives the scums a restriction of having a different person do the kill every night, similar to our restriction of targeting someone different every night. Might be wishful thinking on my part.
I believe that one wolf does the kill action, the others do their primary function.
I base that on my game design and hosting experience and in a theoretical sense, not based on my game playing experience, because this is a relatively uncommon setup.
The wolves collectively decide on a player to nightkill and someone from the wolf team pm’s the mod who the nightkill is. A wolf making his own independent kills by his own decision would just be a night wolf vigilante. I don’t think those are common at all though, can’t think of a game where I can remember that role.
One wolf will just pm the mod who the nightkill is. I suspect that if pizzaguy is tracked by a villager, and the wolves night kill him, that the tracker will get “no result” or something along those lines. The night kill is probably processed before the night actions anyways, but I’m not positive about that.
Yeah, I doubt a separate night thread will happen. The majority of posters on this board don’t know what the hell mafia is and they don’t like it. There are complaints sometimes if we have a few games going about the surfeit of mafia threads with just the game thread and a forbidden thread*
*We usually have a thread for nonplayers to kibbutz in who are unspoiled. It’s forbidden because it’s a little unseemly for players to be cruising the sidelines for analysis.
I apologize, I was unclear. I did not mean one wolf unilaterally decides the NK, I mean the group comes to a consensus and then one wolf is selected to perform the kill specifically so a tracker or watcher can get info.
This is a dangerous looking line of thought to me. It seems to be treading perilously close to not looking for scummy behavior but just anti-town antics. That is not really as useful.
I don’t mind brewha as a vote, I read him yesterday and 5/6 of his 8 posts have been off-topic, with the last couple only relating to peeker and then him casting his vote. He’s an okay vote, but he’d be a perfect example of someone who you should have tried to use your vig on instead. If he’s a wolf, he’s so under the radar that the wolves wouldn’t think to try to roleblock him (if they even know who their roleblocker(s) are yet).
I have only played one other game with a Re-director in it and it redirected everyone’s night actions to one person (Mahaloth as it happens), if we have a re-director here then it cannot work the same way. Could it just randomly redirect some Night Actions because mine weren’t affected at all? I am interested because** Idle** said that he didn’t target** Dance** yet he still got a result on her. I think it’s possible that** Dance** could have directed her Night Action to Idle because he voted for her and although she didn’t know what would happen she did hope that something possibly would happen.
There also could be mystic seers. No one else has claimed to have gotten peeks (and I don’t think they should at this point) but they work something like:
Mystic A submitted peek for Mystic B
Mystic B submitted peek for Mystic C
Mystic C submitted peek for Mystic A
Those guys existed in the other mystery mash. Obviously they may not be present here but it’s another possible theory. I don’t exactly understand that set up myself but that has a lot to do with how tired I am right now.
