Scum sometimes defend folks they know aren’t scum because it gains them sympathy.
Sometimes townies defend other townies. Sometimes townies even defend scumbags unwittingly, like Pizzaguy, breaking his rule not to defend anyone because of how scummy it is, then giving himself a pass because he’s been cleared so it’s not scummy, except it is stupid rather than scummy. But I digress from this far too specific counterexample; the above move could have been blowing flower petals in Mykbot’s direction so he looks like “the only sane one”.
That can be scummy. Whether it is depends if Giraffe does this sort of thing a lot or not, or more to the point, whether he got the scum role card or not.
Overreaction to special ed’s post, IMO.
Sometimes scum will give “sound advice” which they can cite later on as “I told you so”
Why this is scummy is because the primary scum strategy, for anyone, ever, is to “look less bad than everyone else”.
That’s why this can be interpreted as scummy.
This could be interpreted as a way of distancing his own behavior from one specific kind of scummy behavior (staying quieter, not ruffling feathers) and suggesting without saying, that since that is scum behavior, what Giraffe is doing now is therefore not.
It’s not stated as such, but it could be implied. If it were stated out loud, it would be a laughable assertion; since it’s not stated explicitly, it seeps into everyone’s subconscious without challenge.
This could also just be a townie talking about stuff. There are no ***reliable ***scum indicators so far, and even the most reliable scum indicators aren’t reliable.
Where have I seen this behavior before?
:dubious: Maybe.
This is good distancing if it is. I doubt Giraffe and peeker are knowingly on the same team (AKA not mafia together).
Hollow bravado.
**Player X from a different game, **is that you?
GASP! I found her twin! They’re practically identical. I can’t wait to introduce them.
crackedquads, eh? Okay I’ll review him at some point.
A lot of players are crafty. Surely you’re not holding this against him? Being crafty is a null-tell because it doesn’t affect your odds of getting a scum role.
Posting from an iPad = scum.
Sure, I’ll go with it for now. Not the best case in the whole wide world, but better than zero.
**unvote: brewha
vote: Giraffe [COLOR=Black]peeker’s play doesn’t strike me as scummy at all.[/COLOR] While I am sure he’s an excellent scum, and that he could play this way as scum, I am wagering that it is not presently the case.
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I’m still not 100% on you – I do think it’s possible you’re just a Townie who is in super stubborn “only a scum would think I’m not Town!!” mode, but questions like these are making me feel better about my vote. What kind of defense is that?
YesterDay, I was thinking crackedquads was your scumbuddy. ToDay, I’m not so sure. His analysis has been very solidly pro-Town, particularly this post about Silman’s posts yesterDay. Of course, if he’s a wolf then it’s not at all surprising that he caught those posts if the wolves did in fact target him as a potential seer. The first time I was scum, I was constantly throwing out “theories” for why the scum did this or that, based on having been privy to the back and forth about what Town might think about why we did whatever we did. True or false, it makes you look like an enthusiastically pro-Town player who is poring over the past Day’s posting to try to better understand those insidious wolves. So I’m still not sure about him.
I also need to go back and re-read the posts and votes right around the time you were near or in the lynch lead and see if any other wolf candidates emerge. Of course, this is all only useful if you are in fact scum. Frankly, I may just wait until you flip so I know I’m not heading off on a wild goose chase.
Yeah, seriousl * (sic) are you just being obnoxious? My language can be terribly vulgar although I choose not to use it and I have already said that I have sort of changed my mind about you (vulgar though you are) so find yourself someone else that you can shock
One for One is three times superior than one for three, and I can accomplish that by doing nothing.
How about absorbing a scum-kill instead of a detective or better role? All of a sudden, I’m twice as good as just plain old one-for-one.
I will debate this until the day I die; my move here was very good.
Throw in a vigilante that kills 1 person: 1 scum, and the effect is far, far better.
Getting greedy is why I’m a failure sometimes. Steady, pizzaguy.
Lynches and vig-kills are nearly interchangeable.
Still, you’re right, I could have picked off some lurkers.
It’s just that the number of true lurkers in this game is quite low and not many of them are reading scummy to me. I think the scums are adopting a middle-to-high talking strategy.
Noted; basically everyone thinks my move was wrong. That’s why you need me around, so I can demonstrate that A-thinking is good, but B-thinking is also good.
btw. i’ll give you a clue. it’s a one word answer that has three letters. but if you get the spirit of the answer the professor will probably give you full credit.
Hey peeker; I think you’ve made your points on Giraffe and it has earned my vote for now.
May I ask a favor of you? Relax for a bit. It’s out there. See if you can’t find anyone *else *in the game who is acting scummy as well. That’s my challenge to you.
Definitely, but ed and I have a history. I’m just coming off a game where he frickin’ crushed me, so I’m feeling a bit sensitive about him.
Absolutely. I didn’t take the bet because I was sure I’d win, I took it because (a) I’m a sucker for prop bets and (b) the delight of peeker quoting John Quincy Adams facts far outweighs having to post about how awesome he is for ten games.
The only thing about the bet I think has any information whatsoever is the fact that he made it. Feels like a scummy Hail Mary to me, but YMMV.
Meh, that’s fine. Certainly not the worst case I’ve ever seen.
ok. here’s the deal off boarders. i am a prick and an asshole when trying to find scum. i think most of the folks over here have kind have that as a given. man i was trying to be fucking nice on D1. small posts. small syllables. nothing too abstract. and then wham i get hammered by the dopers because of the way i am acting and posting. well fuck that. crap jan you even voted me for that very reason. now that i am playing more in my zone i am being “obnoxious”. seriously. what the heck do you want?
And my challenge to you, Giraffe, is to look for peeker’s possible scum teammates, and also give me a scenario where he’s not scum and tell me if you can find a second person in the game who is also scummy.
It’s superior to debating with peeker because you’re both just locking horns at this point. Something more constructive, methinks.
So, you are my long-lost cousin after all. I was wondering what in the blue Skeezix people were talking about when they said “let’s get Pizza in a game with peeker” because I was all “I don’t swear like that.” Didn’t see the connection.
Peeker is basically Askthepizzaguy if he were raised by a pair of foul-mouthed sailor dads.
