it’s just seems so wrong that we have so much distrust in the world today. if we could learn to live and love together it would be such a more wonderful place. i think this really would work out for the best. the scum can admit who they are and then town would make a pledge not to lynch them if they agree to foregoe any killings. we could carve out part of our lands for the scum where they could exist in peace and harmony. on a regular basis senior elected officials of each group could meet in order to participate in an equitable sharing of resources. on selected thursday Nights we could join together for a communal singing of 'kum bay yah" and “werewolves of london”. i really think this meets all basic requirements for a civilized society.
of course if mykbot gets in here and starts sucking goat dicks all fucking bets are off.
Bah Humbug!!! I have not yet exonerated you 
Besides Mahaloth
I didn’t like Meeko’s vote on Krayz (he didn’t like his tone, and compared him to Pleonast (which I don’t understand in itself, but it probably made sense to Meeko)), and I didn’t like sangaman’s defence of it - very weird. He went through all the Krayz voters and analysed if they had good votes or not, and analysed Meeko’s the same way. That was weird, because sangaman knows if Meeko was making a townie vote or not. He was ok with Meeko’s vote:
I think this is wrong - it is not the next best thing to lynch a villager who is unproductive, and Krayz wasn’t unproductive exactly anyway. I think sangaman is trying to justify a bad vote there.
BUT, massive but, Meeko was the 2nd vote on Krayz and Mahaloth was the 4th, that feels like too many scum piling on at once. I want to see more of sangaman before I vote that.
Precambrianmollusc was also pretty suspicious, jumping in at the end like that, but I think he has enough votes for now.
Someone said Meeko is a she, really? I always thought he was a guy.
Meeko’s definitely a guy. /oog
Hmm…what I think this means to us is that pizzaguy is probably not a vig. We had one vig attack last night and we had one dead vig this morning. I think the most logical conclusion is that Guiri targeted Mahaloth. If Pizza is vig, then Guiri was blocked and/or his target protected. Pizza could still easily be the poisoner, and attract the NK, or not. If he did, in fact, target Mahaloth, then all we can reasonably guess is that he is not a doctor. (Though still possible if Pizza was blocked.)
yanotice how i kept in check through this whole interchange. do i get additional time off for good behavior because there were a couple of lollipops back there?
but enough of that. hey, ben you ever going to comment on why your votes yesterDay were so stinking (can’t say fucking anymore) scummy? really dude, i mean i know giraffe is scum but what up with that? or are you just going to take the oh golly gee humbdidledee defense?
and the nice long necked speckled one: if was a pleasure to get such a cogent and well reasoned response. and while all of us on the panel appreciate the effort that you put into making such a comprehensive and somewhat cogent respons is there any fucking possible way that you could come to a fucking conclusion? especially in light of mr. peekers claim. i think the response you give could be ever so insightful.
Just be yourself, peek. It’s fine.
i am fucked. just looked out the back window. as soon as mykbot gets even remotely close to a goat fucking ed teases it out of reach. guess i only have to do this until tuesDay.
Phew. The pace of posting has slowed slightly, allowing me a little time to review.
YesterDay, I left an easy target on my back by saying that I was going to vote a bad idea. I still think that Mykbot should have known better than to suggest that targeting yourself was a good idea any night other than night 0. And I am still suspicious of him. But I pretty quickly took a more active interest in the people who took advantage of the easy target I put on my back.
First **Inner Stickler **who has no other reason to vote me, or at least shares no other reason:
I’m going to review him next.
Next comes** lilflower**. Lilflower had earlier responded to **MykBot **with a “scum would totally do that” post, leaving me scratching my head when she is so adamant that voting a bad idea is scummy. If scum would totally do that, then why not vote for them for doing that?
Au contraire, Ms flower, I find your vote to be the lazy, convenient one.
Next vote is the OMGUS vote of Mykbot, but oddly enough, he is confused on who to vote for:
This is interesting because it was actually** lilflower **who exaggerated **Mykbot’s **statement so much: “**TexCat **goes on to say that **Mykbot **is telling us all to target ourselves every Night which he clearly is not. “ I can understand his confusion. Neither I nor Mykbot ever said anything about every night, this exaggeration is totally lilflower’s. I gather from this that Mykbot and **lilflower **cannot both be scum.
Next up is GnarlyCharlie:
This feels genuine to me. My gut tells me that townie Gnarly thought I was scum.
Last is Normal, who just earlier posted:
A scum looking to see whether her vote is needed to save a fellow scum? Or a townie looking for the best place for her vote?
Then this:
This looks to me like Normal, uncharacteristically, unable to find a place for her vote at the end of the day. And I tend to give her town points for this. A scum Normal would have been more prepared, me thinks.
Conclusion: At least one of Mykbot, lilflower, and Inner Stickler is scum, though not both Mykbot and lilflower. I need to review Inner.
Catching up, so I dunno if this has been addressed, but I just don’t think your reasoning is solid here. Even running with the assumption that both of those reads are correct and with the maximum reasonable number of scum I theorized of 9, that’s still a 28/37 chance that either read is correct just by pure dumb luck. That’s a 57.3% chance that both reads would be correct even without any knowledge. IOW, you’re clearing someone as that 57.3% likely to be town who, based on random, has a 75.7% chance without that conditional. And that’s with the worst case set of assumptions; the disparity would be greater with an assumption of less than the maximum number of possible scum.
Further, we know from Gadarene that only one action on Night Zero went through and while it’s possible that the seer was that action, he wouldn’t have had two reads on other players, he only would have had one. IOW, giving two strong potential cop readings on Day 1 ought to have been a sign that he WASN’T a cop.
So, in order for it to say anything about SubPlank, we have to assume that it’s a correct read and thus the scum thought Silman was a cop, which they shouldn’t have thought. And even if we assume that, that all has a lower chance of happening as a way of clearing him than simply assuming based upon the game setup.
Honestly, it seems to me that your reasoning is circular–which now that I think about it makes me suspicious–in that you seem to know that he’s town or that the scum targetted Silman and then using that to soft-clear him.
Telling everyone that you’re voting purely on the basis of “I’ve decided this is a bad idea” is not helpful and do you know why? Because then people don’t want to share ideas in case there’s a downside they missed and they get voted for it. And that way lies scum wins. Proposing bad ideas is NOT scummy. Pushing bad ideas is scummy and someone who continually posts in favor of a bad idea without acknowledging its flaws will certainly make me look askance at them. But people who see a bad idea and decide that’s enough for a vote look to me like they’re trying to head off discussion. No me gusta your vote Yesterday.
A possibility, it was noted that Mahaloth was shot and poisoned. It is reasonable to assume that the shot was from the vigiliante. The poison may or may not have been the result of last night though. It is possible that poison is a delayed death effect and that it was, in fact, the Night Zero action that went through. As such, it is possible that, if someone targeted him on Night Zero, that they are actually the poisoner and that whoever they targeted last Night will die tonight.
Of course, it may just be color that Gadarene used to help make it easier to figure out who killed who and it wasn’t a delayed effect. I imagine this will be cleared up after tonight though.
How do you figure that we had *one *Vig attack last Night? I count three dead (one of whom appears to have been targeted twice); that means the Scum kill plus 2 or 3 additional killing roles.
I don’t agree that “the most logical conclusion is that Guiri targeted Mahaloth”. You’re drawing a conclusion that the evidence does not support. That’s not to say that there’s evidence to the contrary, but it’s just as likely that Guiri targeted Silman. I don’t really think it makes much of a difference at this point anyway, though it may become important down the road.
One thing that strikes me as odd, though for the life of me I can’t see any way in which it can be relevant to the game itself, is that the ‘Otherboarders’ seem to have almost vanished today (small ‘t’). Do you 2+2 guys not work weekends?
I’ve played a Vig, and I tried using the power at the behest of the Town. It worked out HORRIBLY. The reason being that scum had as much say in that as they did in the lynch votes and I didn’t hit a single scum.
What makes a Vig powerful is the lack of accountability. We all know they’re pro-town, so it’s not like they’re going to deliberately attack someone who they don’t find scummy. So, by all means, consider some suggestions, but I really think that if you think you’re a Vig, or to whoever else may be, you need to make up the decision for yourself.
On top of that, I think another good strategy is to use it to follow up on unsubstantiable hunches. For instance, I was once playing a game as scum where I was quite loud and the main proponent pushing for most of the lynches and dominating the discussion, and I’m fairly certain that many people felt I was scummy, but every one of my lynch cases was solid so no one could build a case against me that I couldn’t refute. Hell, I was even manipulating the Vigilante target. But eventually, either at LyLo or right before, I knew I was in his sights and I was finally Vigged. The point of that is that, I was unlynchable especially since we were so close to LyLo, so it was the best move on his part and going for the second place target or a quiet player would have guaranteed a town loss.
In short, if you think you’re a Vig, consider the different strategies and decide what you think is best for the town. Sometimes getting someone who is noisy and dominating discussion is a better target than a lurker. Sometimes it makes sense to crack into a cluster and see how the roles break down to try to get alignment information about others involved. Sometimes someone is scummy as hell but, for whatever reason, people just aren’t voting for them. Most importantly though, since it’s not unlikely that the scum have a role block or a doctor type, don’t try to be too predictable.
@Burby Yes. You are right. I was assuming facts not in evidence. I was assuming that “Mahaloth has been shot!” was an indication of a vig attack. And the other 2 deaths did not have that. But definitely an unproven assumption. Still, I think it likely to be the case that the “been shot” indicates vig.
Oh dear Inner, the more you post, the more I am suspicious of you. First of all, as I have pointed out I can’t count how many times, I did NOT vote MykBot purely on the basis of “I’ve decided this is a bad idea”. I voted him on a bad idea that he should have known was a bad idea. Would you care to defend why voting someone who had a bad idea is scummy? Isn’t that what most townies do? Look for someone with anti-town notions and vote them? You, on the other hand, seem to be looking for a convenient place for your vote.
What would be the scum motivation for that? In order for it to work, he’d have to think Town was stultifyingly dumb. Is that your argument? That Mykbot thinks we’re all morons?
Bad townies maybe. Anti-town behavior is not the same as scummy behavior. Townies can very easily propose plans that hurt town. You have to look at the motivations of the poster. If they’re scum, how does it help them? Just because you don’t like something because you think it hurts town doesn’t automatically mean it’s scummy.