Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread

[Gadarene]

@Silver_Jan

oh and

Vote Gnarlycharlie

and I have been looking at Tex because in his post 1412 he gave gnarly an easy out for voting for him.** Weedy** is my other suspect.

blue please

[Dancecat]

omfg claiming with one peek makes me want to break things

[Idle_Thoughts]

@Silver_Jan

I was going to identify him before EOD but as you think I should do it now, OK Gnarlycharlie is a WOLF! There take it or leave as you wish and now everyone else will come down on me like a ton of bricks.

Are you sure? And there’s no chance of misdirection or your power not working or some other kind of possible muck up?

If not..
Unvote Scuba Ben
Vote gnarlycharlie

[Dancecat]

there’s no maj in this game since it’s a mishmash, right?

[bufftabby]

@Silver_Jan

I was asked to by the Mod.

If that’s true, then I fully expect to see you sanctioned for sharing that with us.

@Gadarene

PMs:

As should be apparent, Personal messages (PMs) will play an important part in this game. Please do not quote specific PMs in the thread or** talk about any specific communications from the moderators. **We will not hesitate to modkill for this infraction.

[bolding mine]

[Silver_Jan]

Except I don’t really know my role, it was the second name I put down that I got a result on. It could have been a redirect or anything. A lot of players think I am scum anyway If I had started a case on Gnarly he would have suspected something right away.

[Silver_Jan]

@bufftabby

If that’s true, then I fully expect to see you sanctioned for sharing that with us.

[bolding mine]

WOW

[Gadarene]

UPDATED DAY TWO VOTE COUNT

Through post #1727

Scuba_Ben (5): Blaster Master [1109], Drain Bead [1190], Suburban Plankton [1449], Weedy [1452], Scathach [1499], [del]Idle Thoughts [1507][/del]
peekercpa (3): Giraffe [1320], bufftabby [1646], septimus [1664]
Giraffe (2): Normal Phase [1157], [del]peekercpa [1267][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1341][/del], Astral Rejection [1547], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1548][/del], [del]peekercpa [1588][/del]
Weedy (2): Scuba_Ben [1586], Askthepizzaguy [1590]
gnarlycharlie (2): [del]Weedy [1279][/del], lilflower [1720], Idle Thoughts [1723]
Silver Jan (1): Zeriel [1126]
Blaster Master (1): sachertorte [1135], [del]septimus [1367][/del]
Episkey (1): crackedquads [1552]
DonkTimesFour (1): peekercpa [1663]
Askthepizzaguy (0): [del]peekercpa [1524][/del]
Precambrianmollusc (0): [del]Idle Thoughts [1143][/del]
Brewha (0): [del]Askthepizzaguy [1256][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1472][/del]

Please PM me with any corrections.

[lilflower]

@Silver_Jan

Except I don’t really know my role, it was the second name I put down that I got a result on. It could have been a redirect or anything. A lot of players think I am scum anyway If I had started a case on Gnarly he would have suspected something right away.

So what? Maybe in having to respond to a case against him, he would have outed himself. And by the way, just because some players think you are scum that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t make cases against other players. In fact, if I think someone is scum and is more interested in defending themselves than finding other scum, I’m even more convinced of their scumminess.

[TexCat]

@brewha

Yes, that’s the bandwagon analysis I’ve been slogging through the posts working on.

So, here’s where I get confused. Say Peeker is scum and his scum buddies orchestrate a couple more bandwagons to save him. If we’re on the high side of scum - there could be 9 of those 21 votes belonging to scum - so that’s very possible.

What I don’t get is Krays’ defense of Peeker. He calls out three people as wolves when they voted** peeker** - though he said that his intention was not to call out peeker voters exclusively.

We know Krays is town. I think we can assume that he got lynched to save one of the other lead vote getters. I’m just not convinced that** Peeker** was the scum that was saved.

Of course, there’s would be no way for Krays to know Peekers alignment since we know he was town. Something just seems out of place here.
I dont’ think Texcat was the other wagon since I don’t think she had any votes at all when the band waggoning started. I’ve got to see where SilverJan fits in all this chronologically.

I know I dont’ have anything conclusive in this post, but I want to see what others think.

If we assume that peeker is scum, and that krayz, silverjan, and I are town, then we need to look mostly at the votes made while peeker was still in trouble. After peeker is out of danger, scum would vote mainly just try to stay out of the limelight.

I’ll look at the timing in detail:
At 363:
peekercpa (3): Giraffe [301], special ed [313], NAF1138 [337]
MykBot (2): Zeriel [21], TimeLady [24]
TimeLady (2): sachertorte [211], Suburban Plankton [352]
379 ScubaBen votes peeker. This is where I think scum swung into action to save peeker.
383 peeker votes Giraffe
386 DrainBead votes Guiri
418 krayz votes Giraffe “probably not changing. also didn’t read past this at all yet, but this is as bad as it gets.”
459 texcat votes Mykbot
473 Inner votes texcat
484 SilverJan votes peeker. Now peeker has 5 votes with no one really close. Perhaps now scum is really going into action.
487 Ed votes SilverJan (I never saw an unvote of peeker)
489 Drain, having previously unvoted Guiri, now votes krayz
493 Meeko pops in and votes krayz
494 lilflower votes texcat
498 Ben unvotes peeker, votes krayz
vote count 501This leaves us at peeker(3), krayz(3) and a bunch at 1 and 2 votes.

At 484 peeker gets the 5th vote, and then there is a quick flurry of votes.

[Gadarene]

@Dancecat

there’s no maj in this game since it’s a mishmash, right?

Correct.

@bufftabby

If that’s true, then I fully expect to see you sanctioned for sharing that with us.

MODERATOR NOTE

You’re technically right. However, I can see this becoming a big mess, so let me head it off at the pass by clarifying:

Silver Jan sent me her n1 target before the end of d1, as she is allowed to do in the OP (see the provision for conditional targets). I then PMed her asking her to name a second target in the event that her first target was no longer alive by the end of d1 (this is also provided for in the OP). She did so.

You should not infer anything about Silver Jan’s alignment from this. As with peeker, this same situation could/would have arisen regardless whether Silver Jan is town, scum, or neutral. Now let’s not discuss it any further, please.

[brewha]

You do realize that your claim of knowing Charlie is a wolf means nothing until he’s lynched right?

And, even then, you’re only semi confirmed. Wolves have been known to bus teammates to gain town cred.

Crap, you’ve put the town in a spot SilverJan. If you are the seer and Charlie is scum, you’ve certainly put a target on your back tonight. And, I don’t know that our doctor knows that he/she is a doctor.

I guess we can’t find out for sure unless Charlie hangs tonight.

Am I missing anything here? Unless I’m persuaded otherwise,

Vote GnarelyCharlie

[bufftabby]

Jan’s claim makes no logical sense to me.

@Silver_Jan

I am just answering as I read so things are going to be out of sequence. No I did not target** Scuba Ben** but I was asked to send in the name of an alternate player in case the person I targeted was lynched. I did not get a result of the first person but I DID get a result on the second person. Still happy with your vote Zeriel? BTW it wasn’t** Zeriel** either.

@Silver_Jan

I was going to identify him before EOD but as you think I should do it now, OK Gnarlycharlie is a WOLF! There take it or leave as you wish and now everyone else will come down on me like a ton of bricks.

@Silver_Jan

Except I don’t really know my role, it was the second name I put down that I got a result on. It could have been a redirect or anything. A lot of players think I am scum anyway If I had started a case on Gnarly he would have suspected something right away.

She says she needed a second target in case her first target was lynched. People aren’t lynched at Night. I could buy that the role had some sort of delayed reaction if this was the sum of it, IOW a Night action that doesn’t take place until the following Night. But she already has a result. So where would being lynched ever come in?

[Blaster_Master]

@Silver_Jan

I was going to identify him before EOD but as you think I should do it now, OK Gnarlycharlie is a WOLF! There take it or leave as you wish and now everyone else will come down on me like a ton of bricks.

This whole Magic Bag thing rubs me the wrong way, as as you’re one of the people I think the Krayz wagon may have been constructed to save. Frankly, I’m inclined to believe you’re saying you have this information because you know you’re probably next on the block, especially if Ben flips scum and you’re the scum he and Mahaloth were trying to save.

However, you identify someone as a wolf, which means if you’re telling the truth, he’s a wolf and we should lynch him if he’s not a wolf, then you’re lying and thus you’re a wolf (or a PFK) and we should lynch you. So, tell us, why should we lynch him first and not you since, between the two of you, you’re the only one I have a read on, and it’s bad.

[Silver_Jan]

Vote Gnarlycharlie

@ Bufftabby you have really upset me. you asked me a question and I answered it and now you jump all over me. I found that really nasty!

[Dancecat]

I want to lynch outside the claim, but I don’t see that idea getting any support here.

[NAF1138]

Huh,

Vote GnarlyCharlie

I’ll sort the rest of my thoughts out later. I don’t do as well taking the game in large chunks as I do when I can keep up as it goes.

[Drain_Bead]

Glad I read the whole thread before I responded. Was convinced by a couple of things to switch to peeker, but if we’ve got an identified Scum, let’s get him gone.

Question because I’m posting from my phone: who said earlier that they got the message SJ was Town. Was it Idle? Who reported the same about Dancecat?

unvote Scuba Ben
vote gnarlycharlie

Jesus that was a pain in the ass.

[lilflower]

@Silver_Jan

Vote Gnarlycharlie

@ Bufftabby you have really upset me. you asked me a question and I answered it and now you jump all over me. I found that really nasty!

Remember, it’s just a game.

[NAF1138]

@Dancecat

I want to lynch outside the claim, but I don’t see that idea getting any support here.

Make your case. You never know. At this point I am willing to listen to what you have to say.