You stated that you submitted your targets last Night, when you actually submitted them yesterDay. That makes all the difference. I was asking you questions to clarify what you meant, and I most assuredly did not jump all over you or do anything nasty.
Based on Gad’s response, my guess is that **Jan **sent in her target too early and maybe the second target, being the most recent, was the one she got a result on.
I’ll do the whole thing tonight if I think it’s really necessary after further consideration. The cliff’s notes version is that I want to lynch Episkey, but I want to do so for reasons that are largely meta-based from the exchange I had with him earlier about post construction/clearing based on thought process. I’ll have to reread all the posts in question to find out if there’s really any merit to it; right now it’s just a thought.
You know, typically that isn’t what happens right? Usually if someone claims to have caught scum the claim is tested with a lynch fairly well right away.
Well, I like meta arguments personally. I am in a minority here, but I feel that meta-gaming is an unavoidable part of the game so it’s best to embrace it rather than try to pretend we aren’t doing it.
Just a side note really. I am still digesting what I missed the last couple of days.
I considered this same thing. But, if SilverJan is telling the truth and we find out by lynching her, than we just killed our Seer.
If she’s lying and we find out by killing Charlie - we kill a townie and then we kill a scummy SilverJan next.
I think that we’re better off to not risk killing a seer - though unless we have a doctor who knows they’re a doctor, SilverJan may be in trouble tonight.
I’ll respond to this as well: The section in the OP about conditional targets should clarify things to some extent. Absent some other mechanic, there is no mechanism by which a player could submit two conditional targets and have their result shunted to the second of the two conditional targets if the first is still alive at the end of the day.
I want to be clear about this so people don’t think that there are ways their conditional targets will go awry because of when they submitted them.
Don’t be upset about that. It would prove that you were telling the truth. It’s cold, but it’s really the right attitude. If you don’t get sanctioned it would leave things ambiguous in a way that would be unfortunate.
With this GnarleyCharlie business, I don’t want to lose this. That’s the way I read it too. It basically comes down to Peeker getting in trouble and bandwagons springing up around him.
I still don’t understand why Krays was defending Peeker, though.
Now that things are a bit clearer, I wonder whether Jan’s targetting of gnarlycharlie is what actually delivered the results to her. If her first D1-submitted target was not in fact lynched, it makes no sense to move to the second target for her result. But we’ve already seen players who claim to have received information about people they didn’t target. If Jan’s telling the truth, I think it’s most likely that her info on gnarly came from elsewhere, and she would’ve received it regardless of whether he was her second target. As she initially presented the scenario, it seemed logically impossible that she was being truthful, but knowing that she submitted her targets D1 instead of N1 at least makes the scenario possible.
[QUOTE=Silver Jan]
I am not upset at being questioned, I am upset at Bufftabby saying that she hopes I get sanctioned for just answering her question honestly.
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That didn’t happen. Expecting does not equal hoping.
Wait, guys, why the sudden switch? There’s no reason to believe Silver Jan over, inevitably, GnarlyCharlie’s “she’s lying” response. If she’s telling the truth, and we lynch him first, great. If she’s lying and he turns up town, then we just lynch her Tomorrow. Her claim doesn’t tell us anything by itself and cannot be verified without lynching someone else.
That said, since we now know that one of them is definitely a wolf, I think it’s probably in our best interest to lynch one of them Today, and we can always lynch Scuba_Ben later; however, I don’t think it should necessarily follow that it should be GnarlyCharlie and not Silver Jan, and I’m inclined toward the latter. So…
Vote Silver Jan
Bottom line, you may be a Seer , but at this point you’re not doing us any good since the scum already know if you’re lying or not, so you might as well not hold the magic bag and tell us what you know without obfuscation.
This is a really useful post, thanks for making it. It really helps see how the cascade of votes went down on the lynch leaders yesterDay.
As someone who thinks peeker is a wolf, I find it very interesting to note that Mahaloth (the now-deceased wolf) put the third vote on Krayz when peeker was the lynch leader at three, bringing them into a tie. TexCat had two votes at that point. Most scum I’ve played with have been too cautious to do something as obvious as place subsequent votes on a Townsperson to save a fellow scum, so I’m soft-clearing Meeko/sangaman and Idle Thoughts (votes #2 and #4 on Krayz) for now. The rest of the cascade really depends on whether TexCat is a wolf or Town. If Town, I think all the Krayz votes after 4 are a null tell once TexCat also had 4 – scum could have easily padded out the vote to make sure peeker stayed well away from the lead, or they could have sat back to see where the bandwagon went first.
However, if both TexCat and peeker are wolves, then I think it’s very likely one of the later Krayz voters is also a wolf: Lightfoot, Scuba_ben, or Precambrianmollusc. I’d also withdraw my soft clear on Idle Thoughts if this were the case.
Now, all this has assumed that peeker is a wolf. Let’s look at the voting from the perspective of him being Town and TexCat being a wolf:
One wolf (TexCat) has two votes, one Townsperson has three (peeker) and another has two (Krayz). Fellow wolf Mahaloth comes in and pushes Krayz up to three. Mykbot and gnarlycharlie push TexCat up to four, after which three votes in a row (Idle Thoughts, Lightfoot, Scuba Ben) push Krayz up to six. So, if TexCat flipped wolf, I’d view Mykbot and gnarlycharlie as likely Town, and put the FOS on Idle, Lightfoot, and Scuba Ben. I’d view Normal Phase as likely Town as well, for her vote narrowing the gap on TexCat to 5-6. Episkey also earns the FOS for putting a third vote on Silver Jan right after Mahaloth put a third one on Krayz.
Overall, the dynamics of this situation seem off to me – I’m having a hard time seeing a case where the scum would simultaneously be bold enough to try to pump up a Townie bandwagon to save a fellow scum yet not put a single vote on the Town player with the vote lead at the time (peeker). Given Mahaloth’s vote, I think it’s far more likely that he was trying to save a scum peeker than a scum TexCat.