Nancy Grace on (Larry King live with) Anderson Cooper

Did anybody else catch this on CNN last night? Anderson Cooper was guest hosting Larry King (while Larry was at home contemplating on how Miami started to look so much like LA, who these damned little kids in his house calling him daddy are, and which wife he’s married to at the moment). The guest was Nancy Grace. In addition to a self promoting incestuous menage for CNN Nancy proved that she is either the greatest performance artist in history (trumping Andy Kaufman, Ann Coulter, GG Allin, and pretty much all other claimants to the crown) or else the single most vapid human being ever to get a multimillion dollar media gig. I honestly believe that if she ever successfully mated with Glenn Beck that they and their resulting offspring would be to IDIOCRACY what Cornelius and Zira and Milo/Caesar were to THE PLANET OF THE APES (minus time travel and Ricardo Montalban).

I should add in here that I hate Nancy Grace not just as an individual (though my hatred there is to the point of the neurotic) but as an archetype. She is incarnate every smug, condescending, rude, enyclopedically ignorant, mercilessly vapid, comically classless, aggressively stupid, intellectually incurious and yet unrelentingly opinionated middle class Southern she-WASP who have ever convinced herself that she is equal to Stephen Hawking in brilliance, Rosalind Russell in class, Ava Gardner in sex appeal, Cher in talent, Thomas Jefferson in knowledge, Gore Vidal in pithy wit, Eleanor Roosevelt in people skills, Oprah in their influence on others and Sophia Loren in ageless beauty when in fact in all these things she’s really closer to Rob Schneider (but with the ego and humility of Jerry Lewis). This is a larger subset of the population than you might think, incidentally- and a disproportionate number of them seem to end up majoring in psychology and or managing cubicle farms or working in public education and or social work for some reason.

Her voice could curdle the milk of a mother whale 2 miles beneath the surface of the water. Her mouthbreathing “I know you are but what am I” gape makes me want to play a game of chess with her but only after silently placing bets on which piece will be the first to wind up in her mouth. She’s a proven liar (the real story of her fiance’s murder versus her account are alike in that both assert he is dead but that’s where it stops), her record as a lawyer includes formal disciplinary measures and multiple accusations of gross incompetence, her gut instincts are on par with Custer at Little Bighorn and her cognitive processes are on par with those of a trout. You absolutely know that she honestly believes Jane Fonda personally waterboarded American soldiers in Vietnam, that Oprah once bodily evicted Tommy Hilfiger from her show for saying racial slurs and giving the Nazi salute, and she probably actually remembers the day she outsmarted that science professor who said if God existed then his chalk wouldn’t hit the ground, and when she is absolutely proven to be wrong in terms so plain even she can almost understand them she believes that changing the subject is the best way to deal with it because everyone else will forget long before you’ve edited your memories to have always been right. She’s like a country club cousin of Peggy Hill who makes Peggy Hill look like Peggy Hill’s assessment of Peggy Hill, or perhaps a better analogy would be she’s Pinky’s intellect fused to Brain’s personality and ego.

But please don’t get me wrong: I hate Nancy Grace.

But she’s also the aching tooth I have to push my tongue against sometimes. And last night she was being interviewed by Anderson Cooper, so I was curious what that was about.
Cooper made his journalistic bones with Katrina and he’ll always have that, but he’s no Edward R. Murrow or even Walter Cronkite. He’s basically a cute (in an inbred ‘could bleed to death from a shaving injury’ Romanov sort of way) newsreader rather than a Bob Woodward, BUT the charming thing about him is he obviously knows this, and he really is well informed and intelligent and capable of decent reporting when he’s not slumming. He’s up against Nancy who has no Katrina and no integrity but atones for it by having 20 times the ego. And now she’s written a novel, which she’s pimping it with the self importance of Al Gore with An Inconvenient Truth and the self restraint of The Engineer with MISS SAIGON.
Some highlights from the transcript:

What’d I tell ya?

The wikion her skill with this.

As opposed to novel writing where… uh… you aren’t able to conjecture what happens next… (Darling, that’s the point of writing novels- anything you want to happen can happen; that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily going to be believable or good, but then you’re Nancy Grace, you’ll be convinced it’s brilliant regardless.

Try this: “She sat on the wet sand, feeling the breeze and looking at the moon”. Tah dah! I don’t think most people really need that much commentary; if they haven’t felt a breeze or looked at the moon in their lifetime, they’re probably not going to be reading your novel anyway because they’re probably dependent on a nurse for their most basic needs, and while perhaps fewer people have sat in wet sand, a) they probably aren’t that much fewer and b) I’m pretty sure they understand wet and they understand sand and can put the two together and conjecture. But of course it’s clear that she is now qualified to advise Marcel Proust.

I have absolutely no doubt that you did. Without having read it I am going to guess this is more convincing than most of the dialogue in your novel, and if it’s not I am going to guest you have a ghostwriter. (Nancy is the type who if she did have a ghostwriter would not only NEVER let it be known but would completely convince herself that all he or she did was add in a couple of periods and apostrophes.)

The day before Nancy gave birth to her twins she could not have been as pregnant as Anderson’s ‘Ah’. How many times have I said that and probably thought the same thoughts he was having. It’s the type of thing you say to “Did you know that every cell in the human body actually has DNA and can tell you the memories of your great-great grandparents?” or “Numerology, which is a proven science, says that the world is going to get colder, not warmer!” or “Well you know that English is based on the French language and that’s why so many of our words are the same” or “I happen to have studied workplace efficiency in junior college and I can tell you without need of researching it or asking opinions that customers don’t like having a cash register up in front of the store, they want it in a back room that they have to go look for cause then they feel more like family and not like just a customer!” when you know from experience that there is absolutely no purpose in arguing with them.
So enough of her novel. (Anderson Cooper, the son of a critically acclaimed writer/editor father, a mother who is a bestselling memoirist, and a bestselling author in his own right, never brings up these facts, nor does Grace, who I seriously doubt is aware of any of these facts and if she is doesn’t mention it for fear he’ll beg her for advice.) Anderson asks (whether due to contractual obligation or morbid curiosity I’m not sure) her opinion of current events.

My God but she’s on top of the coverage. Who knew that Squeaky Fromme was nuts? I can’t believe that one slipped by Anderson.
I’d love to have played Sookie Stackhouse and heard Anderson’s internal monologue while she was braying. I’m guessing he was weighing a $50 million contract versus the demerits of saying 12 words you can’t say on primetime television.
Well, read the transcript or watch the video for one of the greatest displays of the intermingling of narcissism and stupidity ever to have an annoying drawl. Even I had to turn away after Fromme as it got too painful listening to her opine. I turned back about the time she trotted out her not quite 2 year old twins and sent them to Anderson, who looked into the camera and somehow managed to convey to the camera “I wonder if I performed Lawanda Page’s ‘I need a big black d__k!’ routine right now on air holding this child if CNN would release me from my contract…”, but ultimately everybody left.
Absolutely nothing of any great importance, but then this is Café Society. And if I haven’t mentioned it, I hate Nancy Grace.

Nancy Grace deserves a special place in hell for the way she tried and convicted the Duke lacrosse players without a shred of evidence. Has she ever apologized for that? She is pure scum.

I tried watching part of that interview, but just cannot stomach that woman, even in small doses. I watched enough to hear her say that fiction writing is more difficult than non-fiction, because you have to make everything up yourself . . . as if this were an epiphany she hadn’t previously considered.

And now that she has twins, can we refer to her as “Tot Mom”?

I don’t even understand how she kept her job after the facts about her boyfriend’s murdercame out.

Her boyfriend was killed by a severely mentally ill/mentally retarded co-worker who was having a psychotic episode over being fired from the cleaning crew. It was a tragic and senseless and traumatic killing, no question about it, but it was also an open and shut case. His DA didn’t even attempt to argue that the guy was innocent, he just plead insanity, which the killer really was- again there was no question about this. The prosecutor sought the death penalty but the jury voted life in prison in recognition of his mental illness as a contributing factor. THE END.

She told the story repeatedly in many interviews and in the book her whole reputation is based on. She got damned near every factual detail wrong from dates to ages (we’re talking discrepancies of years, in part because she wanted to lie about her age) and blamed it on not having access to the public record due to a fire, though this is complete bullshit: the records were still publicly available when she wrote her book, and even after the courthouse fire there were copies of most of the discovery documents in addition to which it was covered daily in the local newspapers. You’d think a lawyer- let alone the murdered man’s fiance- would consult such sources or interview the jurors or the attorneys or just log onto Lexis Nexis and read a newspaper account before writing a book about it- for that matter you’d think somebody would automatically know the details about the killing of a loved one). However, the true accounts weren’t exactly a John Grisham novel/Lifetime movie that was playing in her head with herself as the star.

I’d have fired her ass in a split second when the truth of the case came to mind. This isn’t a matter of a few factual errors or even of faulty research but outright lying. Of course as a lawyer she was frequently cited for outright lies to the jury and unethical conduct. How she’s held onto a multimillion dollar contract on a news network is a far bigger mystery than the Roswell incident, and together with Lou Dobbs she gives CNN little to brag about when held next to Fox News.

Jon Stewart’s wonderful take at the time.

I flipped around and was able to give her about 5 minutes of my waiting for a train wreck time. I just could not subject myself to an ambulance chaser like her any longer. She spends show after show on the same subject. She really fires up when a kid gets killed. The Natalie Hollaway murder occupied her show for months and months. She just loved the Lacrosse rapists who she immediately declared guilty. Guilty or innocent have nothing to do with her TV show. I can not believe hr ratings justify the show.
She runs a soap opera disguised as a legal show. Her show moves like a Glacier. You stop by when channel hopping and she is on the same theme for weeks.

That’s good stuff, but let’s not forget that the school’s lunatic liberal faculty (the infamous “Duke 88”) gleefully fanned the flames against the three completely innocent lacrosse players, too. They behaved exactly like Nancy Grace but in many ways they were much, much worse; they actually knew the defendants and, as educated professors, should have been the first to give them the benefit of the doubt. But, alas, the allure of phony outrage over a phony racist incident proved too powerful to resist. They all deserve to sit next to Nancy Grace in hell.

i was lucky in that i only saw the wee bit that mr cooper and ms hill showed on ac360.

of course that was the bit where the kidlets were showed off.

I’ve never been glad that Nancy Grace exists, but reading the OP made me happy, and it could not have existed without her…

Thank you Sampiro. I am going to favorite your post for repeated reading. Perfect metaphor for the love-to-hate opinion I have of Nancy Grace. This ghoul grates on my nerves too, but I just can’t ignore her completely . I have to check in on this sentient nugget of excrement from time to time if only to get a cheap boost of self esteem by watching what she thinks she has to do to make a living. I really hope that at least some of her words and actions are theater. I pity her if that is not the case.

Excellent OP. 10/10. Toothache soothed for the day.

When I read the thread title, I thought all three of them were on at the same time. It would have set a record for lowest combined IQ in a three shot.

Second all this. Every time I flip over to her it’s like I’m giving myself a papercut, a little dose of masochism for the day. Also, I’m always curious which adorable white girl has gone missing recently. The only person worse than Grace is whoever’s doing her on-screen effects. It’s always something classy like ‘Body found! We’ve got little girl corpse, people!’ over and over in a little cube.

Anyone looking for additional reasons to hate her should check out this video of her getting mad at kidnap victim Elizabeth Smart for not playing along.

11th Circuit: Nancy Grace ‘Played Fast and Loose’ With Ethics.
PDF of the decision.

CMC fnord!

That’s the longest I’ve ever paid attention to something Nancy Grace. Weirdly, it was well worth it. I give thanks to the Almighty that I can change the channel when I surf past that fountain of hate. She makes Fred Phelps look compassionate by comparison.

I’m a peas & cornbread southerner and I’ve never like her. I hope she’s not a complete tramp but not on cable! My eyes burn! Take Larry away, too. Bring in Marie Osmond or somebody in the same format.

Um . . . Cher?

Holy crap.

She is the posterchild of Godwin’s Law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law

Yeah, I wondered about that one myself.

Better your toothe than her (checking the forum) incisors as you “forced” your way into her willing, but reluctant, mouth.

All these years and, thanks to a slow computer, I’ve managed to avoid Nancy Grace, but no longer is she protected by my old PII-450! No, I work from home now, and I can be creeped out in HD.

Sampiro, we’re in CS so my fanboi-itude can be forgiven, but you are truly the biggest bitch on the SDMB. And I grew up in middle-upper-crust Virginia, so I have an appreciation for bitchiness.

found this tonite in my regular rounds; thought Sampiro and y’all might enjoy it

Nancy Grace’s Terrifying Attempt To Replicate Human Emotions