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And: Refers to a logical condition that describes two statements which are both true.
A logical operator that required that both of the relational operators it connects must be true for the whole statement to evaluate as true. If either of the relational operators are false, or if both are false, the statement will evaluate as false.
in between words means both words must exist.
you can’t do just one or the other they both have to be true to make the statement true. You can only pray AND remember you can’t just remember OR pray.
I’m kind of with Lord Ashtar on that. This may very well be my failing, but I still can’t see how using the word “prayer” equates to endorsing a religion. I realize prayer is a religious act, but it doesn’t have to be. Like I mentioned, I’m not the praying type. When I hear prayer, I think “think quietly to myself.” In those thoughts, I may be talking to god, satan, the invisible pink unicorn, or just plain not thinking at all. I don’t feel at all forced to accept anyone’s version of god buy my own.
Sure. But it can also be a logical condition that describes two things which are present.
National Day of Prayer and Rememberance. Lots of praying and remembering going on that day. It doesn’t mean you’re going to be forced to do either thing.
As I said I’m not worked up about it, but he’s clearly endorsing prayer in the Judeo-Christian sense not in the meditative Buddhist sense. Also within your own post (though no doubt you didn’t mean it that way) you’re accepting SOME version of god in your prayer even if it’s your own.
Yes, but he was endorsing prayer. It isn’t the forcing that bothers me as much as the endorsing, as in “(2) Neither can pass laws which aid one religion aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another.”
I think this is a whoosh, but still, they can pray all they want, on any day, including that one, as loudly as they want. However, if a Principle of a public school decided he wants to have daily prayer before lunch, that would be an endorsement of religion. In contrast, should students spontaneously all decide to pray before lunch, they would not be a problem. Same with Presidents, and private citizens.
P.S. Anaamika, that is nice to hear.
On preview,the Notorious Nik is in the minority. From wiki:
Endorsing a religion? Maybe not. But it’s certainly endorsing religion. To me, it makes as much sense as the president calling for us all to dress up in pink speedoes and jump up and down while singing – both would be equally effective at alleviating suffering. So what if he doesn’t specify whether we should sing Come On Eileen or The Marine Corps Hymn? He is nonetheless endorsing the notion that dressing up in a pink speedo and jumping up and down while singing is an effective way to solve problems.
If I go out to dinner with my friends Mike and Laura, and then we meet up with my friends Dave and Arthur and all see a movie, am I then not allowed to say, “I met with friends for dinner and a movie” because not all of those friends went to dinner?
If some people pray, and some people remember, and some people pray and remember, I see no reason not to call it a day of “prayer and rememberance”, as that is the best descriptor of it without making it sound completely stupid. I mean, would you vote for someone who declares “A National Day of Prayer And/Or Rememberance, Where Members of Subset A are Not Necessarily Members of Subset B”?
I just find it silly, and I don’t blame Bush any more than any other President—we are, after all, a country of wild-eyed religious fanatics, for all our bleatings about “separation of church and state.”
What I wonder is, what are we supposed to pray for?
• Dear God: Please stop killing us? Thanks.
• Dear God: Please turn time backwards like Superman, so all those dead people will be undead? Except not like zombies, that would be creepy.
• Dear God: Please look after us after the next time you try to kill us, as our various government agencies can’t do the job?
• Dear God: Maybe just get us better government agencies?
• Dear Other God: That first god keeps trying to kill us. If we sign on with you, can we get a better contract?
Bullshit. It’s offensive, exclusive, and he’s fuckin’ obsessed with it. He practically ORDERED the nation to pray during his initial non-response to the hurricane. Anyone who saw that knows what I’m talking about. “…and the American people WILL PRAY…”
It may not be illegal but it’s definitely inappropriate and offensive. The government has no business even suggesting that people should pray, much less designating a day for it.
Cliffy. Still, among our Constitutional Rights is the right to practice religion, and for many religions prayer is an efficacious thing, regardless of your amusing comparison to pink speedo jumping. As long as the state recognizes that fundamental quality without specifying any religious preference, it’s not a big deal to call for a day of prayer.
There’s no safeguards in the Constitution for atheism. Other people’s praying does not infringe on the right not to believe or not to participate.
Part of my ire in the OP is that I was listening to the tail end of the President’s press conference announcing this, and I’ve been to church functions with less preaching.* I missed the Clinton proclamations; or if I didn’t, I probably bit my tongue (easier, as an atheist, to complain in cyberspace - religion and work do not mix).
