What if the baby is born to one woman but is biologically related to another, but a third woman has paid for surrogacy/eggs and intends to raise the child? I always assumed the third woman was on the birth certificate.
Technology sure does complicate things.
Each of the 50 states has different laws on birth certificates and such, so it’ll be a mess wading through them.
While Rowe came out looking horrible, if she was indeed just a sarrogate, you can’t blame her. But it does bring the issue of rich people paying for babies or getting them easier, whether it’s Jackson, Rosie O’Donnell, Madonna, or even Bette Davis in the old days. If you don’t know she adopted a daughter and was lied to by the agency. The agency gave her a child that they knew “had issues” and of course they knew if they gave it to an actress like Davis, she couldn’t return it. Yes, back then, people returned kids. But Davis wouldn’t risk the bad publicity.
So it’s really not a new issue, but it does lead to a lot of other questions.
There were / are rumors that he had a condition called alpha one antitrypsin deficiency, which is indeed genetic.
I saw a link of photos of his kids (taken by a friend with kids of a similar age) and it was pretty obvious that they weren’t genetically his - no hints whatsoever of any African ancestry in their features - certainly not the amount one would expect given MJ’s pre-surgery appearance.
They looked well cared-for and happy. I do have to give MJ credit - aside from one or two odd instances early on (anyone remember the photo of him holding one baby up over the edge of a balcony?), they were kept out of the limelight.
In a surrogacy situation, the birth mother is considered the legal mother - HOWEVER, typically the requesting parents have an agreement beforehand that also includes a court order that the child be listed as theirs on the birth certificate. Not all states support this, and apparently surrogates have to be able to deliver their baby in a state which does. This from a friend who has two children born to surrogate mothers (friend had a hysterectomy at a young age). The one surrogate lived in state A, but had to drive to state B to deliver as state A had a lot of restrictions on surrogacy.
Thanks, Mama Zappa.
The latest is that Debbie Rowe is seeking custody.
IIRC, her mother was black, her father white, and even though she looks white, she identified more with her mother and therefore considers herself [del]black[/del] “African American”.
Debbie Rowe is just after money. After the marriage ended, which in her defence she said ended because she couldn’t have more kids after complications with the 2nd one.
Anyway, Rowe got a LOT of money. Then years later a judge said, Rowe hadn’t properly given up her custody right. What do you know??? Yet ANOTHER huge settlement.
Do you think Rowe is out for the kids? Or do you think she wants still ANOTHER huge settlement.
The same is true for Michael Jackson.
And Debbie Rowe is white. Odds are the other egg donor was too.
It’s really not that unlikely for the kids of those parents - even all three kids - to turn out looking as white as they do. The kids might not be his, of course, but the way they look is not evidence either way.
OK. That means that at least half her ancestors were of European extraction, or “white”. Which means that Amyre Makeupson has lots of white ancestors.
If you really want to read about mixing of the races, check out Brazil. There is a lot of study going on in that country because it is very ethnically mixed, between blacks and whites.
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the will shall be probated - yes, it’s kind’a “snobbish,” but it doesn’t sound like you’re stammering.
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Underline mine and oh, yes he can. The most basic form of abuse is psychological. My grandfather is 94yo and the whole family’s blood pressure raises at the idea of spending any time with him: it will until the day he dies. The last time he got kicked out of a store for trying to grope a cashier was two years ago and he’s also the kind of guy who makes true the aphorism “nobody can push your buttons like your parents: after all, they installed them.”
The latest issue of US Weekly is saying that MJ’s dermatologist (and Rowe’s boss) was the sperm donor. No idea of that’s true or not but from the picture they showed of him I did detect a slight resemblance with the two older kids.
The third child is the only one he would’ve had to adopt. The oldest two were born to his wife while they were married. Since when do you have to adopt the children your wife births when you’re married, whether the sperm came from you or not? I’m fairly sure that California requires no such thing.
Even if there wasn’t anything else, the vitiligo was a fairly good reason. It can be a psychologically devastating disorder, and there’s some indication that it can be hereditary.
And recall that throughout his young life, Jackson was always told that he was ugly. Ugly, an ugly monkey, and so on. His father’s mental abuse, which has been substantiated by outside parties (like Barry Gordy and Quincy Jones) as well as other Jackson siblings, no doubt had a lifelong effect on Michael. If you’re sure that you, as you were made, are the ugliest thing that ever walked on two legs, are you going to pass your looks onto children if you can do something else?
Not particularly. They didn’t reside in Australia, so it’s irrelevant.
That “right after she was born” story has so many loopholes in it, it deserves about as much credence as reports of a perpetual motion machine. Hospital childbirth just doesn’t work that way. No matter how much money you have.
We’re accepting the vitiligo story now?
Rowe’s immediate reaction was that she did not want anything to do with the kids. But, now it appears there will be a lot of money in it. Michael Jackson’s estate will make a lot of money. The kids will get a chunk. Suddenly she wants HER kids.
Wasn’t Gigg’s father of mixed race himself? The kids look nothing like most mixed race children I have seen. They are very unlikely to be his children. No matter what he did to his skin he can’t change his genes.
Gigg’s father was of mixed race so you’re example isn’t on point.
Ummm no.
Well, tumbledown cited that as a reason for why he wouldn’t want to use his own sperm. I just couldn’t believe there were people who really thought he was suffering from vitiligo.
I think he had it. Cite.
