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I didn’t say anything about any other Democrats. I may vote for one or two myself. I am talking specifically about Harry Reid and his ‘I think I am a Roman Senator’ leadership style and the impression that gives.
Of course you said something about other democrats. You pointed to the reason that we need to vote for Angle, no matter how qualified or unqualified she is, is because Reid pushed through a bill without letting people read it and forces people to buy health insurance. Pretty much all democrats did the same thing. Ergo, you’re saying we should vote against the main non-democrat candidate no matter how bad that candidate is.
A: He’s allowed the bills to be read. It’s not his fault that 40% of the Senate is illiterate. B: The government does have that right. It’s all laid out in an obscure document called the Constitution. But I can see how having a senator who’s familiar with the Constitution might be off-putting to some.
Stop putting words in my mouth. I was talking about how Reid is perceived and why people would vote for anything but him. I did not tell anyone who to vote for. I did not say Angle was a good candidate, in fact, I implied she was poop.
My point is that Reid’s actions and attitude in wrangling the health-care bill through have pissed off a very large number of Nevadan’s to the point that they are voting against him and not for someone else.
Oh, and if you truly think the health-care bill would have passed without Reid’s my-way-is-the-only-way leadership, you truly are not considering how the bill was forced through.
I am not a one-issue voter so I can be angry at my state’s democrats on this issue, but still consider them as better options than their opponents.
So, this is all about the health care bill, then? He’s done nothing that you approve of since he first took office as a senator in 1987?
Do you feel similarly about auto insurance or homeowner’s insurance, both are which are mandated?
And yet, when asked about your stance, you brought up only one issue. Why is that?
I can’t figure out how to quote a quote without c&p the whole thing, but the LVRJ ran a single column story on Angle’s campaign being all butthurt about Channel 8 today, describing the reporter’s conduct as an “ambush”.
Hopefully neither I nor the SD will get sued by Righthaven for the link or for using the word ambush.
I’d quote something from the article, but that will definitely get a lawsuit slapped against you, as the Angle campaign is well aware.
I note with some smirking that the LVRJ and Channel 8 have been doing polls together, and that the LVRJ has endorsed Angle.
Oh, and according to her campaign manager, Ciara Matthews, journalists now need permission to cover a candidate.
Issue#1 Forcing through bills without allowing them to be read.
Issue#2 Thinking the government has the right to force citizens to purchase health care.
Just because they both happened on one bill doesn’t mean they are the same issue. I didn’t like it when the Republicans tried the tactic of forcing bills through without allowing the Democrats to read them either.
Homeowner’s insurance is not mandated in my state, If you get a home-loan, the bank will have you purchase insurance as part of the loan deal, but there is no government mandate. If my state tried to mandate home-owners insurance, I would be against it.
I am opposed to government mandated auto insurance. Our founding fathers would have shot anyone who tried to do this to their means of transportation. Insurance is just a way of using fear and/or uncertainty to get people to gamble against themselves. If people choose to do this - fine, it is their choice. We don’t, however live in the United Insurance-ocracy of America, in spite of the efforts of insurance companies to insinuate themselves into legislation.
Do you like Harry Reid? Why? Are you just interested in what he can give your state? Do you actually think that an independant business should be able to force citizens to purchase their wares?
Ok, so it was multiple bills that he pushed through without allowing them to be read? Which ones?
Yes.
Well, for one thing, he’s been doing a great job as senator from Nevada for over 20 years now. He’s well acquainted with the issues which affect our state and citizens, and he has the clout to get things done. Also, he’s not a raving lunatic or evil. He’s a soft-spoken, intelligent person and I like that in a person who’s going to represent my interests.
Not “just” that, but primarily that, yes. See, that’s what it is to vote for a state senator or representative. That’s their primary job, is to represent their constituency. How strange that you seem to not know that.
Nope, and that’s not what happened here. The government is mandating insurance be purchased, but not from whom.
And FTR, I’m not really thrilled with that aspect of the HCR bill. I’d rather I was just taxed appropriately and we had SPHC.
By the way, were you as upset about Halliburton and KBR forcing us to buy their wares by threatening the country with imminent death and destruction back in 1991-92?
Give me details on what you mean specifically and I may comment, but probably not, because I see what you are about and have lost interest in you.
Enuma, asking for clarification isn’t snarky, nor is answering a yes or no question with a yes or a no.
So far, you’ve listed one bill, and it’s method of passage, that bothers you about Harry Reid. You then made the claim that there were other bills that had been passed in a similar manner, and that you were bothered by them. How is it snarky to ask which bills? Is it because you really have no other issues, despite your claim that you do?
I like how you call me dishonest, when clearly the only one not participating with any degree of honesty is you.
Actually, the fact that the government didn’t mandate where you buy your health care does matter to your wallet, as you are now free to shop around and find the insurance that best fits your budget; i.e. you can buy the cheapest insurance or the most expensive as either will satisfy the requirements of the law.
If you’d like to come back and have a discussion, I’ll be here. Judging from the tone of your last post, tho, you aren’t and you won’t.
Seriously dude?
My initial post was about my perception of Harry Reid and how many voters in his state perceive him.
Do you know the difference between perception and fact? Do you know what causes one person to have an emotional response to another person? Do you know what feelings are?
They are not facts - and they cannot be explained by facts. All of your facts about Harry Reid may be true, but he is still in danger of being voted out of office in favor of a complete idiot. Why? Because no matter what Reid did or didn’t do for his state or for the country, the perception is that when he finally came into a position of power, he wielded it with a fanatic’s fervor - stifling debate, demeaning his opponents intelligence, ignoring the call of freedom in the hearts of many of his constituents and acting as if he was so overcome by a love of power that many see him as a classic Roman Senator.
The FACT that you are incapable of perceiving this lead me to believe that you were being intentionally snarky. If you weren’t, I apologize.
The fact is, though, you have never addressed my comment about ‘the widely held perception’ of Harry Reid and until you do so (not in terms of fact, but in terms of feeling), I think that you are not being honest in this discussion.
Oh, and just to be fair, if I lived in your state, I would not vote for Reid. I would also not vote for Angle. Mine would be one of those amorphous votes that wasn’t earned by either major candidate.
And one other thing - telling someone that they have to do something, but saying that they have the choice in how it is done is not an actual choice. This is the kind of slave-owner-thought that kept that ugly institution alive for far too long.
If you don’t understand this then may God have mercy on your soul.
Which god?
Come on, Enuma. There’s no fact of me being incapable of perceiving anything, except the answer to my question, and that’s only because you haven’t given me one.
You wrote:
When I ask what bills, you listed one. The word “bills” is plural, indicating more than one. When I ask you which other bills, you start in with name calling.
I’ll ask again: what other bills, besides the HCR bill, did Harry Reid do this with?
I really don’t have anything to say about a supposedly widely held perception of Harry Reid. I don’t even know that it exists. But I do know that you have this perception, because you said so:
So, I’m curious as to why you have this perception. That’s what prompted this, remember?
No, it’s really not at all like the slave-owner thing, since slaves couldn’t vote on who owned them, and besides, I’ve never seen a bill of sale that I was bought by my senator, or representative, or President, or even my city’s mayor.
Rest assured that if God existed, he would not have mercy on my soul. I’d make sure that wasn’t an option for him, as I think Hell’s got all the good bands, anyway.*
But look, can you just put aside all the name-calling and obfuscation and answer the question about which other bills Harry Reid got passed without letting them be read? Please?
*That’s a joke, eh. It’s a line from an old song by The Flaming Lips called Ode To C.C. Part 2
Fear Itself - I’m askaird of ever crossing a Moperator. Whatever god you choose.
Snowboarder Bo - namecalling? What namecalling? Please be specific. I think the things you have said and implied about me are much worse than anything I have said or implied about you. And you still haven’t answered my question. I am talking about perceptions. You are talking about facts. Do you know the difference? If you are incapable of answering because you are a ‘factual-based’ person, just say so. We can agree to disagree.
You’re stalling again.
Which bills, besides the HCR bill, has Harry Reid gotten passed without letting them be read, that helped form this perception of him that you have?
Yes, I know the difference between perception and fact. I also know that perceptions are formed, they don’t spring into being all by themselves. I’m trying to find out what shaped your perception.
Sigh.
No, I’m not stalling. I am attempting to communicate with you about the nature of elections.
You remind me of my oldest brother. He also thinks he is always right. He also thinks he has the right to control any argument on his own limited terms. He also only thinks only in terms of intellectual capacity and what he thinks are facts. If he perceives someone to be above his intelligence, he will freely engage in conversation, because he thinks he might learn something from them and in his intellectually competitive nature, use what he learns from them to surpass them so he can dismiss them as intellectually inferior.
If he feels someone is beneath his intellectual capacity, he will often be completely dismissive of them because he has no idea that intelligence manifests itself in any other way than what he can perceive. Because of this he is often shocked and insulted when events turn out in a way he doesn’t understand.
Elections are very rarely about facts. They are about perceptions and feelings. Your states Senatorial election could go either way. The reasons for such a close race are beyond your ken because you, like Harry Reid, are incapable of understanding the ways in which you are insulting to other people, very much like the way Herry Reid is incapable of understanding the ways in which he insults other people.
Harry Reid was a leader in forcing through a bill which takes basic freedoms away from the American people. He doesn’t understand how insulting it is to a very large swath of Americans to be told:“You HAVE TO purchase something because WE tell you that you have to. You do not have the right to not purchase it” This time it is insurance. What will it be the next time?
But you said there were multiple bills he forced through which he did not let people read. What other bills, besides HCR, did he do this for?